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What Brought You to Radical Feminism?
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Ackapus



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Z6IIAB wrote:
Hey, was the question amde by the wife in your story something like "Was that girl into that dude?" ? I mean, it's what you implied, but I would like to know the actual example.



Oh, no, it was much worse. Spoiler alert:

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The prof and the girl took one of the free activity days to go on a nature hike in the afternoon, as hiking was a shared interest.  When they got back it was already dark, and the dorm they were in wasn't very well-lit.  The stalker guy was hanging out in the shadows near the girl's door and when she came close, he jumped out and demanded to know why she had been out with the prof.  The girl ran down to the prof's room, ran inside past him, and the prof just told the kid that he should go back to his room and go to bed. 
Next day, the kid started a public confrontation with the prof over some trivial BS unrelated to these other events, after a few passive-aggressive snipes about the time this girl was spending with him, and he had enough of being polite and lit into this kid.  Since the kid made sure it was a public confrontation, he got publicly humiliated and eventually ran off, and the prof told his wife later he felt bad for doing that to the kid.
The question she asked was "What was he doing waiting for her in the dark?"

Yeah, when I read it myself, I at first had thought, "Eh, he's been stalking her the whole time trying to play this 'nice guy' shtick, probably went by her pad to bother her again and then couldn't find her," and didn't extend any of those thoughts to their logical conclusion.  It was after I read the question that I started doing that, following these thoughts out, seeing where they led.  Maybe saying it was a 'eureka moment' is a bit of a misnomer; more like since I been moved to start look at feminism again, dominoes had been getting set up all over my perspective, and that story just tipped the first one.


It wasn't all that pleasant an epiphany. Still needed to happen.
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Z6IIAB



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's much more awful, yikes. I still think you'd need the girl's perspective on things, but I guess... to men that can't really get a grip? That works. Really creepy ending. Hey, if you have the full thing and wanna share, I'd like to read it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, I'd never heard the term 'radical feminist' before I noticed the author's message about this forum. To that end, I am here to essentially test the waters and see how I fit. I'd also never heard of the 'Norway model' before I started reading here.

Full transparency, I'm decidedly male, hetero-leaning, and I've watched more than my fair share of 'inappropriate material'. I have been spotted as a feminist by at least two people without my having offered anything in the last year which I count as at least having done something right.

Personally, I'm still trying to overcome the conservative, patriarchal, racist, authoritarian programming of my youth. I'm dealing with the, essentially disgusting, internal conversations of my inner jerk constantly informing me that every girl I see wants me and should be mine, while the self-esteem-deprived teenager inside reminds me how they're obviously repulsed by me. I've gotten old enough to learn to slap the both of them when they start up with it but it still takes me by surprise on the regular.

On a logical level I don't believe either of those 'dudes' and work to put myself into other's shoes before making judgments. I also married an Irish-descended woman who is ready, willing, and completely able to inform me of when I'm being unreasonable. I credit most of my current world-view on her insights on my upbringing and being able to reasonably face the attitudes that were ingrained by growing up a white, male, East Tennessee hillbilly.

So I 'think' I qualify as a radical feminist, given what I've seen here so far. I suppose time will tell whether that label sticks or I turn out to be something else. At the very least, I'm an ally who is learning and attempting to grow toward the light.
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Z6IIAB



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You sound like a beliavable male ally, don't worry. I guess as long as you're anti-pornography and anti-prostitution and, at very least, willing to understand those political postures and respect radical feminists, you do belong here? Cause... that's basically the reason of this new forum, for what I can understand. That and the older forum is full of agressive people shutting off radfems, even when they have the patience to try and reason with those people, like TinT.

Welcome to the fest, trotfox ^^.
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Newfish



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TrotFox wrote:

Personally, I'm still trying to overcome the conservative, patriarchal, racist, authoritarian programming of my youth.


Recovering from this sort of thing is like recovering from alcoholism, I think. Once it's in you, it's part of you forever, but with time and consciousness it becomes a lot easier to resist.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, newfish, some stuff are so deeply wired into our brains and from such a young age, you can only be aware of them, but changing it for good is rarely an option.
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SocJusWiz



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, I could say it was the whole GamerGate thing that eventually led me to discover radfem literature (Andrea Dworkin) and be woken up by it.

Probably the overall personality and world view of my parents had an effect too (very peaceful people), but then again my brother is the complete opposite so it can't be just that...

In any case, around the time of the GamerGate stuff, I found myself arguing about feminism with people here and there (4chan mainly, if I remember correctly) since I always saw myself as generally in favor of feminism, simply because it's "leftist" or "liberal" and I saw myself as a "leftist" and a "liberal," broadly, and suddenly there were so many people opposed to feminism.

Pretty soon though I realized that I was as clueless as the anti-feminists I was arguing against. (Guy who knows nothing about feminism argues against guys who know nothing against feminism, about feminism. Glorious, isn't it?) So I started to snoop around various places on the web, trying to understand more.

I had heard a few times of Andrea Dworkin as the archetypal Evil Feminist who is hated (supposedly) even by other feminists. One day I saw a post on Slate Star Codex that talked about Dworkin's works in passing, painting them as standard classic works of feminism... That was certainly a different take than what I had heard up until then about Dworkin, so I thought why not actually look into her myself and make up my own mind?

So I found the Andrea Dworkin Online Library, and what I read blew my friggin' mind away. It resonated so closely with how I always really felt deep down but could never formulate or turn into a concrete political position. I started downloading her books from the Radical Feminist Archives (radfem.org) and read through like 5-6 of them over the course of months. I've never been religious, but I guess Dworkin comes close to what one might call a Messiah for me.

Of course, classical literature is all good and well but what about contemporary radical feminism? In the months/years that followed my Dworkin bingeing, I found Feminist Current (Meghan Murphy & co.), Deep Green Resistance (Lierre Keith mainly), Gail Dines, and of course watched speeches by Dworkin's close friend and co-author of "Pronography and Civil Rights", Catharine MacKinnon, an ardent supporter of the Nordic Model against prostitution.

I went under this pseudonym at some point, when I thought people from 4chan might get on my tail and when I received something of a threat by a transgender activist/ally on my email address for something trans-critical I wrote on a BBS forum somewhere. I've been mainly a Twitter couch-activist and occasional writer on Medium since then.

A few weeks ago I started the FeministWiki project. You can visit it from my forum signature already. I might make a thread about it here some time to gather more attention, since the main thing it's lacking is members right now.
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