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kame



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tell me if this sentence makes sense, "the dog is in it is house."

it's is not a possessive, it is a conjunction of it and is.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that may be, but all other possessives work that way: the dog is in brian's house for instance. so why not a possessive it's? If you know for sure, dont fuck with me, just say you know it's that way. dont say it doesn't make sense, becuase it does if you look at it in that way.

BTW, in typing this post, i wrote out "its" in place of the contraction the first time around and cauught it in proofing.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the most difficult bits of teaching English is in explaining that "Yes, I know I told you that was the rule, but this is an exception to the rule. No, I don't know why, it just is."

Again, I generalised. Of course those aren't all the rules, and of course there will be (and are) exceptions. Let us deal with the case in hand:

The dog is in its kennel. This is correct.
The dog is in it's kennel - the apostrophe is there to indicate that something has been removed; in this case (it), the thing which has been removed is a space and an extra letter, "it is". "The dog is in it is kennel" makes no sense.

But think about English in general. With personal (and possessive) pronouns, you always have a problem with certain ones among them - notably, the third person him/her and it (I eat, you eat, we eat, they eat, but he/she eats and it eats). I'm not sure you really want to start crawling under the bonnet of English grammar though - I have big thick books on this and years of experience teaching with it, and even I'm not entirely sure I quite get it all.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And then of course there are afficianados who defy convention and say that we should write 60's instead of '60s because it's clearer! Can you imagine that?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heresy!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

filecore wrote:
"at the weekend"/"on the weekend" (UK/US)


huh. I've never heard either. I've always said:

"This weekend I will ..." or "... during the weekend ..."
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're seriously telling me you've never said "Hey, what are you doing at the weekend?" to a friend? Or "At the weekend, I was ironing"?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never have ... usually its what are you doing this weekend or along those lines
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. Well the Americans over here say it. Maybe they have just picked up something from the English language and Americanised it, because they hear it so often over here. How odd.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LD! wrote:
I never have ... usually its what are you doing this weekend or along those lines


exactly. maybe it's a dialect thingy. I live near the West coast in America. I'm aware filecore is in the UK.

Your location indicates your on the East coast of America, LD!. Is this correct?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so finland, having left russia, has now joined the united kingdom?

i've really got to catch up on my reading - i am way behind on what those finnites are up to.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.... euhmmm.... does being a mouse give you acces to secret posts?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
so finland, having left russia, has now joined the united kingdom?

i've really got to catch up on my reading - i am way behind on what those finnites are up to.


"British English" is more commonly taught in Europe.
I have to admit I can not back it up statistically and I am to lazy to look it up.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*ahem*
YenTheFirst wrote:
I'm aware filecore is in the UK.

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