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Major Tom



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:22 am    Post subject: Do I dare to eat a peach? Reply with quote

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Unions Say E.P.A. Bends to Political Pressure

By MICHAEL JANOFSKY

Published: August 2, 2006
WASHINGTON, Aug. 1 — Unions representing thousands of staff scientists at the Environmental Protection Agency say the agency is bending to political pressure and ignoring sound science in allowing a group of toxic chemicals to be used in agricultural pesticides.

Leaders of several federal employee unions say the chemicals pose serious risks for fetuses, pregnant women, young children and the elderly through food and exposure and should not be approved by Thursday, the Congressional deadline for completing an agency review of thousands of substances in pesticides.

“We are concerned that the agency has not, consistent with its principles of scientific integrity and sound science, adequately summarized or drawn conclusions” about the chemicals, union leaders told the agency administrator, Stephen L. Johnson, in a newly disclosed letter sent May 25.

The leaders also wrote that they believed that under priorities of E.P.A. management, “the concerns of agriculture and the pesticide industry come before our responsibility to protect the health of our nation’s citizens.”

Nine union leaders representing 9,000 agency scientists and other personnel around the country signed the letter. It was given to The New York Times on Tuesday by environmental advocacy organizations working on their behalf in the hope that it would arouse public outcry and increase pressure on the agency to withdraw the chemicals from use.

The chemicals at issue are organophosphates and carbamates, long a matter of controversy over their environmental and health risks. They are in such pesticides as chlorpyrifos, methyl parathion and diazinon.

The advocacy organizations that released the letter, Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility and the Pesticide Action Network, also provided the agency’s response, on June 27, from Susan B. Hazen, acting assistant administrator. Ms. Hazen assured the scientists that her agency was applying proper scientific review for the use of all chemicals in pesticides.

Ms. Hazen did not deny the accusation that industry positions were taken into account. She welcomed information “from all interested parties,” she said.

In an interview on Tuesday, Jim Jones, director of the E.P.A.’s pesticide office, described the scientists’ accusations as inaccurate, saying the agency examines the effects of various chemicals and adjusts recommendations for public use according to what the science dictates.

Risk assessments of the pesticides cited in the unions’ letter, Mr. Jones said, have been “aggressively regulated” through steady reviews of their use over the last six years.

The complaints from agency employees are the latest to come from within federal agencies that accuse the Bush administration of allowing politics or industry pressure to trump science on issues like climate change and stem cell research.

In this case, they also echo concerns raised by the E.P.A. inspector general in January in a report that suggested the agency had not done enough to protect children from exposure to pesticides, which can affect the development of the brain and the nervous system. That investigation was prompted, in part, by published reports of a Florida program in which parents would be paid for letting their children participate in an effort measuring the effects of pesticides in the home. The program was quickly shut down.

The inspector general’s report fueled a growing desire among union leaders to take a more active role in shedding light on what they say is a flawed system.

“More and more, the unions are coming together to confront the agency’s unwillingness to make the appropriate use of science to show risks to public health and the environment,” said William Hirzy, a senior scientist at the environmental agency and a union official.

Despite the agency’s insistence that pesticide regulations follow scientific guidelines, several agency scientists said industry determined how chemicals were regulated.

“It’s how the game is played,” said an E.P.A. specialist involved in the pesticide program who spoke on the condition of anonymity because, he said, critics within the agency often lose choice assignments.

“You go to a meeting, and word comes down that this is an important chemical, this is one we’ve got to save,” he said. “It’s all informal, of course. But it suggests that industry interests are governing the decisions of E.P.A. management. The pesticide program functions as a governmental cover for what is effectively a private industry licensing program.”

Another senior E.P.A. scientist who also spoke on condition of anonymity said the agency often ignored independent scientific studies that contradicted the industry-subsidized study that supported many regulations on pesticides.

She cited a North Carolina researcher who found that chlorpyrifos might have a more damaging effect on developing brains than other studies. “What we heard back from headquarters was, ‘No, he’s wrong,’ ” the scientist said.

“Chemicals like these can be harmful to children in ways we don’t understand yet,’’ the scientist said. “If there is disagreement, doesn’t that cry out for further research?”

Mr. Jones said the agency had addressed chlorpyrifos in complying with a 10-year Congressional mandate to review 9,741 pesticide ingredients by Thursday.

Work has been completed on 9,637 of them, or 99 percent, he said, and “all are protective of children.”
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You fruitivores and herbitarians have all been living a lie!
Man was clearly meant to eat meat and these pesiticide company/agculture influences are only evidence of the cover-up!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Do I dare to eat a peach? Reply with quote

Major Tom wrote:
pose serious risks for fetuses, pregnant women, young children and the elderly


Yeah, you better worry.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BURN!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you know, i read stuff like this, and i wonder how anyone could possibly agree to allow things in the food chain that they know will lead to stupider children.

.....and then it hits me. someday, those kids will vote.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't this why they always say to throughly wash friuits and veggies? Or is this something that is getting in the actual insides of the produce? Just wondering.


I agree it is a horrible way to run things. I want to be so hopeful that the next person in will improve all the crap that has slipped down in the past several years... but I don't know if that's asking too much of one politician. The problem with hope is it usually leads to pain. Does that mean I must secretly be a masochist since I keep finding myself hoping?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Des. Your hope for a better tomorrow means that you secretly hate yourself.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, Des. Your hope for a better tomorrow means that you secretly hate yourself.



Ha, that's no secret. :p

I was joking but in a way, serious too. I keep hoping the world will improve and get better but sometimes, it just seems like that's a fruitless hope and a waste of emotion. The people that run the world really don't seem to give a shit about anyone but themselves and as hard as I try, I have a hard time seeing that change any time soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desire wrote:
Isn't this why they always say to throughly wash friuits and veggies? Or is this something that is getting in the actual insides of the produce? Just wondering.


even if the chemicals don't leech into the food, there is runoff into municipal water supplies and leeching down into the water table, where they would show up in wellwater, to consider.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desire wrote:
WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
Yes, Des. Your hope for a better tomorrow means that you secretly hate yourself.



Ha, that's no secret. :p

I was joking but in a way, serious too. I keep hoping the world will improve and get better but sometimes, it just seems like that's a fruitless hope and a waste of emotion. The people that run the world really don't seem to give a shit about anyone but themselves and as hard as I try, I have a hard time seeing that change any time soon.


the world goes up and down, but i think the general trend is up. 40 years ago, people barely considered whether there might be any problems with the pesticides, etc., that we used - now we have and agency that is supposed to watch out for that, and people who feel strongly enough about it to keep an eye on them. same goes with things like human rights, equal rights, and so on. we take a few steps back now and again, but on the whole, we are going up. we just have to keep fussing about it.

and of course it isn't just the president - it's the congress and all the appointees. i believe in my heart that there is a backlash building up against against the current congress as well as the administration. congressmen are wary beasts - they are _real_ good at knowing which way the wind is blowing, and trimming their sails to suit.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom: I see.


Mouse: I hope you're right.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I grow my own peaches. ^^
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you are awesome, joe.

they're probably past season, now -- but do you have any pics of your tree(s)?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone in our neighborhood has a peach tree, and it's just amazing how much fruit it has, especially because this isn't really a big peach-growing area.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's a peach tree in our garden but it's a little sick and that really hard to get rid of. It still yields a washing basket full of peaches every year although the birds & bees tend to get them first so there mostly used for jam.
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