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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DeD CHiKn wrote:
Want to ignite a thread? Use a word incorrectly people will jump all over it.


[sarcasm]Damn people with their need to correct people when the incorrectly grammarize their sentences.

Bastards, all of them, I say.[/sarcasm]
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brain.Damage wrote:
That sounds like the most boring radio station on earth.


public radio. it has its share of arrogant asses (actually, i'm not too fond of the former hosts of the show) - but they are usually actually intelligent.
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This whole thread is so ironic.

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...Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:

the language guys on my local radio station agree that whenever an etymology of a word (particularly one that has been in use for hundreds of years) includes an acronym, that etymology is wrong.

which is born out by the fact that neither dictionary.com nor britannica.com include this.

top def from dictionary.com:
a·men Audio Help /ˈeɪˈmɛn, ˈɑˈmɛn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ey-men, ah-men] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–interjection
1. it is so; so be it (used after a prayer, creed, or other formal statement to express solemn ratification or agreement).
–adverb
2. verily; truly.
–noun
3. an utterance of the interjection “amen.”
4. a musical setting for such an utterance.
5. an expression of concurrence or assent: The committee gave its amen to the proposal.
[Origin: bef. 1000; ME, OE < LL < Gk < Heb āmén certainty, certainly]

and from britannica.com:
expression of agreement, confirmation, or desire used in worship by Jews, Christians, and Muslims. The basic meaning of the Semitic root from which it is derived is “firm,” “fixed,” or “sure,” and the related Hebrew verb also means “to be reliable” and “to be trusted.” The Greek Old Testament usually translates amen as “so be it”; in the English Bible it has frequently been rendered as “verily,” or “truly.”

so no reference to god whatsoever.

unless, of course, li'l e is actually thanking the egyptian god amen-ra (or amon), in which case, as you were.


Riiiight, but those definitions all just indicate modern usage. They have nothing to do with etymology. The question that's been raised asks whether the word had a different meaning in ancient Hebrew, or in some way originates from a phrase in ancient Hebrew, and if so what the original meaning is.
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this one is so funny because secretly, we all want to do this, purely for laughs, however. I could only imagine the looks on Ariel and Ezekiel's faces if they were to hear this, for instance. xD
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:


Well, you know, I'm giving you sacred mystical knowledge, there. That's not included in dictionaries. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thewaitersitsondown wrote:
mouse wrote:

the language guys on my local radio station agree that whenever an etymology of a word (particularly one that has been in use for hundreds of years) includes an acronym, that etymology is wrong.

which is born out by the fact that neither dictionary.com nor britannica.com include this.

top def from dictionary.com:
a·men Audio Help /ˈeɪˈmɛn, ˈɑˈmɛn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ey-men, ah-men] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–interjection
1. it is so; so be it (used after a prayer, creed, or other formal statement to express solemn ratification or agreement).
–adverb
2. verily; truly.
–noun
3. an utterance of the interjection “amen.”
4. a musical setting for such an utterance.
5. an expression of concurrence or assent: The committee gave its amen to the proposal.
[Origin: bef. 1000; ME, OE < LL < Gk < Heb āmén certainty, certainly]

and from britannica.com:
expression of agreement, confirmation, or desire used in worship by Jews, Christians, and Muslims. The basic meaning of the Semitic root from which it is derived is “firm,” “fixed,” or “sure,” and the related Hebrew verb also means “to be reliable” and “to be trusted.” The Greek Old Testament usually translates amen as “so be it”; in the English Bible it has frequently been rendered as “verily,” or “truly.”

so no reference to god whatsoever.

unless, of course, li'l e is actually thanking the egyptian god amen-ra (or amon), in which case, as you were.


Riiiight, but those definitions all just indicate modern usage. They have nothing to do with etymology. The question that's been raised asks whether the word had a different meaning in ancient Hebrew, or in some way originates from a phrase in ancient Hebrew, and if so what the original meaning is.


Actually, the part where it says
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The basic meaning of the Semitic root from which it is derived is “firm,” “fixed,” or “sure,” and the related Hebrew verb also means “to be reliable” and “to be trusted.”
eliminates an acronym as a source as acronyms don't have roots. Additionally, looking at the Online Etymology Dictionary and Wikipedia, it looks like the original root was '-m-n. The ' would indicate a glottal stop (think of the sound in kitten and button) and the dashes would be vowels (If I recall correctly, Ancient Hebrew writing didn't have vowel characters).
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys, lets not talk about etymology.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crowley wrote:
Well, you know, I'm giving you sacred mystical knowledge, there.


wait - does this mean i'm nominated to be the next messenger to the gods?
...via volcano?

......do i get to spend a week enjoying hawaii first?
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
Crowley wrote:
Well, you know, I'm giving you sacred mystical knowledge, there.


wait - does this mean i'm nominated to be the next messenger to the gods?
...via volcano?

......do i get to spend a week enjoying hawaii first?

You burn first.

Then you enjoy.

Then we eat you and send you straight to the Kingdom of the gods... where you become their buttslave.

Congratulations.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that sounds like a heck of a barbecue.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll bring the beer.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

brute.

just for that, i'm hoping there won't be enough of me to go around.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:14 am    Post subject: symbolic /perhaps/ - and I mean that in the nicest way =9 Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure you could feed 5000 you little miracle you.
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