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CNN: Suspect in JonBenet Ramsey case working as teacher

 
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:58 pm    Post subject: CNN: Suspect in JonBenet Ramsey case working as teacher Reply with quote

BOULDER, Colorado (CNN) -- John Mark Karr, a 41-year-old schoolteacher, has been arrested on suspicion of murder in the 1996 killing of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, authorities said at a news conference in Boulder on Thursday.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and since confessed - although it may not be genuine:
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August 17, 2006
Suspect Says He Kidnapped Ramsey, but Calls Her Death ‘An Accident’
By RAYMOND BONNER

An American schoolteacher arrested in Bangkok on Wednesday has confessed to killing 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey in 1996. But he told authorities and reporters there today that her death was “an accident” and that he loved the girl.

The admission was a stark new turn in an investigation that had stumped police for nearly a decade, marked by intense news-media attention and by suspicions that her parents may have been involved in the crime.

The teacher — John Mark Karr, a divorced 41-year-old father of three — told Thai police that he had not meant to kill JonBenet and that his intention was to kidnap her and demand a ransom of $118,000, according to Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, the head of the Thai immigration police. General Suwat spoke at a news conference in Bangkok this afternoon along with other Thai and American officials.

“He said he was in love with the child,” General Suwat said of Mr. Karr.

Wearing a light blue golf shirt buttoned to the neck and pleated khaki trousers, Mr. Karr appeared briefly at the news conference but did not speak. Afterwards, he told a crowd of reporters, “I was with JonBenet when she died,” and added that her death was “an accident.”

Ann Hurst, an official with the United States Department of Homeland Security who spoke at the Bangkok press conference, said Mr. Karr has been “very cooperative” with the authorities.

American officials said that Mr. Karr’s arrest was mainly the work of American immigration and customs officers based at the United States Embassy in Bangkok, with support from the Thai immigration police and from sheriff’s deputies from Boulder, Colo., where JonBenet was killed.

Mr. Karr has been charged in Boulder with murder, kidnapping and sexual assault in the case.

One American official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of a continuing criminal investigation, cautioned against jumping too swiftly to the conclusion that someone who has confessed to a crime did in fact commit it. The official pointed out that it is not unusual in notorious cases, as the Ramsey case has surely become, for people to falsely claim that they committed the crime, basing their confessions on what they have read in the newspaper.

Even so, the official said, Mr. Karr “certainly knows a lot about it.” The official declined to provide any more details.

Mr. Karr’s former wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in San Francisco on Wednesday that while the couple was still married, her husband spent considerable time researching the Ramsey case and another notorious child murder case, that of Polly Klaas, who was abducted and killed in Petaluma, Calif., in 1993.

Ms. Karr said that she and Mr. Karr were in Alabama together on Dec. 25, 1996, the day JonBenet Ramsey was murdered in Colorado.

In 2001, the Karrs and their three sons were living in Petaluma, and Mr. Karr was working as a substitute teacher, when he was arrested and charged with five counts of possessing child pornography, according to KGO-TV and The Associated Press. He failed to appear in court to answer the charges, and has apparently been a fugitive since then.

Ms. Karr divorced him the same year.

A Sonoma County deputy district attorney confirmed to the A.P. that an arrest warrant for John M. Karr was outstanding in the child pornography case, though she could not say for certain that it was for the same man who was taken into custody in Bangkok.

The Associated Press reported that there were indications that Mr. Karr, after fleeing Petaluma in 2001, may have spent time in Europe and Central America as a teacher or child-care worker. The agency quoted Mr. Karr’s father as saying he had not heard from Mr. Karr in several years.

Before he was linked to the Ramsey case, Mr. Karr had already come to the attention of American law enforcement officials in Thailand as part of a broader investigation into Americans who travel to Southeast Asian countries and engage in pedophilia-related activities, an American official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Mr. Karr entered Thailand most recently on June 6, traveling from Malaysia. No information was immediately available on what he was doing in Malaysia or how long he had been there. He had previously visited Thailand at least three times.

American and Thai officials went to Mr. Karr’s apartment today and carted away bags of evidence, including his computer, American officials said.

The JonBenet Ramsey case began when her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, telephoned police to report her missing and apparently kidnapped. The police found a 370-word ransom note, written with a pen and paper from the Ramseys’ house, that contained details that police concluded only someone close to the Ramseys would know. But they found no evidence of forced entry at the family house.

Hours later, when a detective arrived at the house, Mr. Ramsey went into the basement and came out carrying his daughter’s body, and the case became one of murder.

Suspicion quickly fell on the parents, prompting them to appear on national television and deny any involvement in the crime.

The Ramseys later moved back to the Atlanta area, where they had lived when JonBenet was born; JonBenet and her mother are buried there.

Mr. Karr also once lived in the Atlanta suburbs, but it was not clear whether he had ever come into contact with the Ramseys there; some news reports suggested that he may have moved away long before JonBenet was born. JonBenet was an infant when the Ramseys left Georgia for Colorado.

The Rocky Mountain News reported that there was no record that Mr. Karr had ever sought a Colorado teaching license or had worked for the schools in Boulder in any capacity, though he may have submitted test scores or fingerprints to the state or taken some other preliminary step to apply for a teaching license.

Mr. Karr’s brother, Nate Karr, told Fox News that to his knowledge Mr. Karr had never lived in or visited Boulder, the Rocky Mountain News reported.

Over the years, as the investigation dragged on without resolution and the news media followed every development, the Boulder police came under severe criticism. Eventually, the police chief and one detective were forced to resign over the handling of the case.

According to accounts today in the Rocky Mountain News and Denver Post, Boulder law enforcement officials began to focus on Mr. Karr in recent months because of e-mail exchanges Mr. Karr had over the course of four years with Michael Tracey, a journalism professor at the University of Colorado. Mr. Tracey had made several documentaries about the case that challenged the work of the police and the public’s rush to blame the Ramseys for their daughter’s death; the News reported that Mr. Karr got in touch with Mr. Tracey after seeing one of the documentaries.

According to the newspaper, Mr. Tracey alerted private detectives hired by the Ramsey family about the correspondence with Mr. Karr, including Lou Smit, a former investigator for the Boulder district attorney’s office who resigned in 1998 in protest at the investigation’s focus on the parents.

The investigators encouraged Mr. Tracey to remain in contact with Mr. Karr, the News reported.

A spokesman for the university confirmed to the A.P. that Mr. Tracey had corresponded with Mr. Karr, and said Mr. Tracey alerted the police about the matter.

As they closed in on Mr. Karr in recent months, Boulder authorities notified Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey about the developments. Mrs. Ramsey died in June of ovarian cancer.

“Had she lived to see this day,” Mr. Ramsey said in a statement on Wednesday, she “would no doubt have been as pleased as I am.”

Boulder County prosecutors scheduled a news conference on the case for 10 a.m. Mountain time (noon Eastern time) today.

Mr. Karr is likely to be returned to the United States within a few days, American officials said; Thai authorities are expected simply to expel him from the country, rather than conduct a formal extradition process, which could take months.

General Suwat of the Thai immigration police said Mr. Karr’s visa has been revoked on the ground that he is an “undesirable person.”

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahhh yes, another blinding, months-long example of crap journalisms grim fascination with dead little girls. this is going to be ever so much fun!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does distress me how morbid the media thinks the general populace is.

Actually, the general populace really is that morbid, isn't it?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm troubled by this suspect's confession, as he appears to be obsessed with violent crimes that involve young girls. He has also claimed to have been involved in the Polly Klaas kidnapping and murder back in the early 1990's, even though he didn't move to the area until nearly a decade later.

Also, some details of his confession do not match the forensic evidence that has been released - he claimed that he drugged, sexually assaulted and murdered JonBenet, yet the toxicology reports showed no evidence of drugs in her system. His ex-wife states he was in Alabama during the Christmas holidays of 1996, placing him half a continent away from the crime scene. This may be a hard case for the Boulder DA to prove unless they cam match Mr. Karr's DNA to the unknown donor DNA that was found at the scene of the crime.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as i recall, there is also no evidence that he held a teaching job in colorado. of course, one shouldn't judge until he comes to trial - but it's sounding more and more like he's just spinning a tale.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:16 pm    Post subject: jesus, his face even latently screams creephat Reply with quote

WOW, BIG FAT NEGATORY ON THE KARR LEAD, SAY AGAIN

There's media trucks everywhere. The Karr case just landed like a bomb on the shoulders of the Boulder district attorney, Mary Lacy. General attitude, including that coming vocally from the state gov, is that we got fleeced.

But hey. It turns out that this man is a fucking nutcase and he was teaching Thai children and going creephat on them. It is very much not a bad thing that he gets his face plastered everywhere and nobody ever hires him as a teacher ever again ever.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we back to suspecting the parents again?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I BLAME THE PARENTS.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

karr case dropped, no dna proof...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060829/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey
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