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NY-23 — Sarah "Kiss of Death" Palin strikes again
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ShadowCell



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
Eh, that's too bad. I really wanted the Enforcing Ideological Purity kick to really gain some momentum.

Instead they lost a nearly unlosable district that they have held for a gajillion years. It might cue them in to the fact that their actions are really only a boon to progressives.

I don't want them to figure that out!


I kinda doubt that will be the case, actually.

First off, they have two new governors to play with. They should stay busy tearing them apart. Especially Christie, who has to govern a blue state coming from the party of the Freepers.

Second, those in the GOP who were saying "hey let's not purge everyone to the left of Vlad the Impaler" were already saying so long before the NY race became a national headline, and they would have continued to say it regardless of how that race ended, because it's smart politics. But that's not how the teabaggers think. Whenever they're set back, they find some external force--the Democrats, the liberal media, Pelosi, Obama, ACORN--to blame it on, whether or not that external force had anything to do with their defeat or even exists, instead of considering that there were any mistakes on their part. They're not going to suddenly get all introspective about whether their calls for ideological purity cost them a seat they should have never lost. And they make up the base of the GOP, its most active, vocal, attention-getting component, so it's not like the party elders are going to jettison them when they've got just about nothing else. Maybe the Great Moderate Purge of the GOP won't kick into high gear like it would have if Hoffman had won, but I highly doubt they're suddenly going to start tolerating deviations from the party line.

So I imagine they'll be doing this again once the primary contests for 2010 start up, where the stakes are a lot higher.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major Tom wrote:
or utah.

that'll learn em

Then again...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
meanwhile, other people are having fun


@smeat - PLEASE tell me you voted for Joey Lombard.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what's all this then?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
what's all this then?
pissing in la piscine.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, the republicans - or rather, the republican bloviators - are blaming hoffman's loss on.......the republican party!
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Some conservatives were blaming the Republican Party for the loss, saying that if they had supported a more conservative candidate all along, the seat could have been won.

“I think Doug Hoffman likely would have won if he had been the Republican candidate from the get-go,” said Mike Huckabee, the former Republican presidential contender. “It wasn’t a spike in the end zone for the Democrats. They got that seat not because Democrats were brilliant, but because Republicans were stupid.”


or there's the other tactic: it's really a win, because they kept a moderate republican from being elected!

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Many conservatives attempted to frame Mr. Hoffman’s defeat as a victory, saying that despite Mr. Hoffman’s loss, conservatives prevailed because the moderate Republican candidate, Dede Scozzafava, was forced out of the race.

“Our number one goal was to make clear that the Republican Party cannot take someone as liberal as Dede Scozzafava and thrust her out on the voters and expect the voters just to accept it,” said Brian Brown, executive director of the National Organization for Marriage, which worked to defeat Ms. Scozzafava, the Republican candidate who faced a challenge from Mr. Hoffman.


expecting voters to "just accept" a conservative who didn't live in the district and hadn't a clue about any of the issue there, however, is another thing entirely. where do these voter-people get off, thinking they can make choices for reasons other than pure ideology?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a note and comment about NJ. i have no freaking clue why anyone thinks it's amazing that a republican was elected governor (this republican makes one wonder a little, but still):

43 Alfred E. Driscoll January 21, 1947–January 19, 1954 Republican Governor
44 Robert B. Meyner January 19, 1954–January 16, 1962 Democratic Governor
45 Richard J. Hughes January 16, 1962–January 20, 1970 Democratic Governor
46 William T. Cahill January 20, 1970–January 15, 1974 Republican Governor
47 Brendan Byrne January 15, 1974–January 19, 1982 Democratic Governor
48 Thomas Kean January 19, 1982–January 16, 1990 Republican Governor
49 James Florio January 16, 1990–January 18, 1994 Democratic Governor
50 Christine Todd Whitman1 January 18, 1994–January 31, 2001 Republican Governor
51 Donald DiFrancesco January 31, 2001–January 8, 2002 Republican Governor6
AG John Farmer Jr. January 8, 2002 Republican Acting Governor
AG John O. Bennett January 8, 2002–January 12, 2002 Republican Acting Governor
AG Richard Codey January 12, 2002–January 15, 2002 Democratic Acting Governor
52 Jim McGreevey January 15, 2002–November 15, 2004 Democratic Governor
53 Richard Codey November 15, 2004–January 17, 2006 Democratic Governor6
54 Jon Corzine January 17, 2006–present Democratic Governor
55 Chris Christie (assumes office January 20, 2010) Republican Governor-elect
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
what's all this then?


npr made a comment this morning that the new jersey and virginia governorships apparently have a long history of going to the opposite party from the presidency....but i guess that, and the concept that it might have had something to do with how people felt about the performance of the current governor wouldn't fit the model that Everything That Happens Anywhere Is All About Obama.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do not go softly into that good night... but go, fer chrissake
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Several GOP lawmakers seem to have blown off House Judiciary committee votes on the Patriot Act in favor of toasting Tea Partiers at Michelle Bachmann's rally against health care reform on Capitol Hill yesterday.

Reps. Steve King of Iowa, Trent Franks of Arizona, Randy Forbes of Virginia, Jim Jordan of Ohio, and Louie Gohmert and Ted Poe of Texas all showed up at the Tea Party -- and all missed Patriot Act votes that took place at about the same time. Some of the votes on Republican-sponsored amendments to the reauthorization of the Patriot Act were close enough that they might have passed had all the GOPers bothered to show up.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, that's rather sweet - they are so busy promoting their agenda that they fail to actually, you know, get it passed.
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