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Sam
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 Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: Stay warm, snuggle up near a burning koran! |
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| Quote: | Terry Jones, pastor of Dove World Outreach Center, will go through with Koran-burning rally
BY SEAN ALFANO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Tuesday, September 7th 2010, 10:40 AM
Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who is planning a Koran-burning rally to protest the 9/11 terrorist attacks, plans to go through with the event despite a warning from the U.S. commander in Afghanistan that the protest could harm American soldiers.
"We have firmly made up our mind, but at the same time, we are definitely praying about it," said Jones, who heads the Dove World Outreach Church in Gainesville, Fla., told CNN Tuesday.
Jones said his group is "weighing the situation."
However, the pastor said his fight against radical Islam won't be stopped.
"Once in awhile, you see that in the Bible, there are instances where enough is enough and you stand up," Jones said.
U.S. officials and Muslims across the world have expressed outrage over the event.
Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, said Monday that burning Korans could put U.S. troops in danger.
"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort in Afghanistan," Petraeus said. "Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult," he said.
Muslims in Afghanistan protested outside a mosque in Kabul Monday, chanting "Death to America" a day after thousands of Indonesians demonstrated outside the U.S. embassy in Jakarta.
Jones said his rally is aimed at the "radical" Muslims, not moderate Muslims.
"Our message is a message of warning to the radical element of Islam."
The three-hour rally is scheduled for Saturday amid heightened security, according to the Gainesville Sun. |
It's going forth as planned despite it being useless pigshit in all ways. Horray! Sending a 'message to radical elements of islam' by burning the holy book of the entire religion. Sounds great.
I really hope the counterdemonstration dwarfs the actual event but i don't hold out much hope. |
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Sam
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:22 am Post subject: |
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'but why burn the koran,' you ask?
| Quote: | On 9/11/10 we are burning Korans to raise awareness and warn. In a sense it is neither an act of love nor of hate. We see, as we state in the Ten Reasons below, that Islam is a danger. We are using this act to warn about the teaching and ideology of Islam, which we do hate as it is hateful. We do not hate any people, however. We love, as God loves, all the people in the world and we want them to come to a knowledge of the truth. To warn of danger and harm is a loving act. God is love and truth. If you know the truth it can set you free. The world is in bondage to the massive grip of the lies of Islam. These are:
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The Koran teaches that Jesus Christ, the Crucified, Risen Son of God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords was NOT the Son of God, nor was he crucified (a well documented historical fact that ONLY Islam denies). This teaching removes the possibility of salvation and eternal life in heaven for all Islam's believers. They face eternal damnation in hell if they do not repent.
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The Koran does not have an eternal origin. It is not recorded in heaven. The Almighty God, Creator of the World, is NOT it's source. It is not holy. It's writings are human in origin, a concoction of old and new teachings. This has been stated and restated for centuries by scholars since Islam's beginnings, both Moslem and non-Moslem.
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The Koran's teaching includes Arabian idolatry, paganism, rites and rituals. These are demonic, an ongoing satanic stronghold under which Moslems and the world suffer.
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The earliest writings that are known to exist about the Prophet Mohammad were recorded 120 years after his death. All of the Islamic writings (the Koran and the Hadith, the biographies, the traditions and histories) are confused, contradictory and inconsistent. Maybe Mohammad never existed. We have no conclusive account about what he said or did. Yet Moslems follow the destructive teachings of Islam without question.
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Mohammad's life and message cannot be respected. The first Meccan period of his leadership seems to have been religiously motivated and a search for the truth. But in the second Medina period he was "corrupted by power and worldly ambitions." (Ibn Warraq) These are characteristics that God hates. They also led to political assassinations and massacres which continue to be carried out on a regular basis by his followers today.
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Islamic Law is totalitarian in nature. There is no separation of church and state. It is irrational. It is supposedly immutable and cannot be changed. It must be accepted without criticism. It has many similarities to Nazism, Communism and Fascism. It is not compatible with Western Civilization.
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Islam is not compatible with democracy and human rights. The notion of a moral individual capable of making decisions and taking responsibility for them does not exist in Islam. The attitude towards women in Islam as inferior possessions of men has led to countless cases of mistreatment and abuse for which Moslem men receive little or no punishment, and in many cases are encouraged to commit such acts, and are even praised for them. This is a direct fruit of the teachings of the Koran.
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A Muslim does not have the right to change his religion. Apostasy is punishable by death.
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Deep in the Islamic teaching and culture is the irrational fear and loathing of the West.
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Islam is a weapon of Arab imperialism and Islamic colonialism. Wherever Islam has or gains political power, Christians, Jews and all non-Moslems receive persecution, discrimination, are forced to convert. There are massacres and churches, synagogues, temples and other places of worship are destroyed.
From Acts 19 (Amplified)
18Many also of those who were now believers came making full confession and thoroughly exposing their [former deceptive and evil] practices.
19And many of those who had practiced curious, magical arts collected their books and [throwing them, book after book, on the pile] burned them in the sight of everybody. When they counted the value of them, they found it amounted to 50,000 pieces of silver (about $9,300).
20Thus the Word of the Lord [concerning the attainment through Christ of eternal salvation in the kingdom of God] grew and spread and intensified, prevailing mightily.
Like the Christians in Acts 19, we are publicly burning a book that is demonic. Many of our greatest supporters are ex-Moslems. They know these evils first hand. We are not, like the Nazis, stealing books, destroying properties or harming any people. We are not Nazis nor are we like Nazis. The Christians in Acts 19 did not go on from their scroll burning to harm anyone. They used the public burning as an opportunity, a demonstration to preach the truth. Only to preach and leave the decision of whether to follow the truth or not.
Do not forget POINT SIX. Islam (not us) is totalitarian in nature, like Nazism, Communism, and Fascism. This evil nature of Islam needs to be seen. Moslems around the world burn and kill on a regular basis, every week, properties and people. All you have to do is follow the news. The many death threats we are receiving, the warnings about terror attacks also prove our point. Do Christians make these threats when Bibles or churches are burned? No.
We have fallen asleep since 9/11/01 and have been hoodwinked by the growth of a (for now) non violent Islam. Shall we give in to threats, then, and allow Islam to grow in America unopposed? We at Dove World Outreach Center will not, even if it costs us our lives. For those who support us, we say thank you for standing with us in courage. For those who oppose us, we say wake up and do not give in to the fear and lies!
International Burn a Koran Day on Facebook
For more on Islam and the Burn a Koran Day, see our blog and leave comments here: http://islamisofthedevil.com/blog
Some more thoughts:
Are there other dangers and evils in the world? Of course. There are many we could and do address, but at this time we have a vision and a call to confront this great danger. Are there a lot of reasons NOT to do what we are doing? Yes, people have written and called with many reasons. I am sure the great men and women of faith in Hebrews 11 heard and thought of many reasons not to follow God’s word. But they followed God’s word.
“Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.” Hebrews 11:1
We are sure that the world needs to see this warning about the teachings of Islam at this time, in this way. We are certain of God’s plan for us here and now.
For those that argue that we are not qualified to make the assertions about Islam that we do, this is ridiculous. We know what the Bible says about evil and the devil’s work and plans. Islam and the Koran clearly discredits itself. What we say about Islam has been said by many others. We may be the only organization burning Korans, but we are not alone in stating the Ten Reasons why the Koran is dangerous.
We follow the work of many men and women of courage who are also putting their lives at risk to expose the evils of Islam. Islam simply hates public criticism, whether your burn Korans or not. Some are ex-Moslems, now Christian: Walid Shoebat, Nonie Darwish, Mosab Hassan Yousef, Nabil Quereshi, Simon Deng. Other ex-Moslems are: Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Ibn Warraq, Brigitte Gabriel. Then there are many Christians, Jews and atheists writing, speaking and publishing on websites: Geert Wilders, Mark Steyn, Norman Podhoretz, Chris Logan, David Wood, Robert Spencer, Pamella Geller, Bill Warner, David Horowitz, Daniel Greenfield, thereligionofpeace.com, Creeping Sharia, Answering Islam, Acts 17 Apologetics, and many more. |
but don't get them wrong, they don't hate anyone! |
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Willem
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I've heard about this elsewhere and they were quick to point out that, while disgusting, this falls under the first amendment so there's nothing that can be done about it.
How is this protected by the first amendment, then? I'm getting this from wikipedia:
| Quote: | | The amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion", impeding the free exercise of religion, infringing on the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. |
Under what would burning books fall then?
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| so how much you wanna bet some radicalized Muslim youth turned would be terrorist x number of months later cites this event as what compelled him to try to kill us? |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:41 am Post subject: |
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i'd think this all was a creation of the onion, or something, except it isn't. there are just so many levels of ridiculous.
1) he admits he's never read the koran - and yet, somehow, he knows exactly what it says!
2) a fair number of those points hold equally true for the bible - if, you know, you go with actual scholarship and historical research, and not just because 'you know the truth'.
3) um....doesn't that whole acts 19 stuff say the changed people GAVE UP THEIR OWN BOOKS AND BURNED THEM? so, i'm guessing what this church is doing is identical because all the korans being burned come from former muslims who have converted, right? because otherwise, that would mean this pastor doesn't even understand the basic english of the passage he is citing to justify himself.
glad to see he at least switched it to saturday, the actual anniversary of 9/11 - originally, it was scheduled for wednesday, the 8th. guess someone read the calendar to him.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Will wrote: | | Under what would burning books fall then? |
The freedom of speech bit. Speech is interpreted generally as "expression." Basically, if you aren't directly inciting violence or "yelling fire in a crowded theater," then you're covered by the 1st.
(edit to include quote after getting ninja'd)
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| Willem wrote: | I've heard about this elsewhere and they were quick to point out that, while disgusting, this falls under the first amendment so there's nothing that can be done about it.
How is this protected by the first amendment, then? I'm getting this from wikipedia:
| Quote: | | The amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion", impeding the free exercise of religion, infringing on the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. |
Under what would burning books fall then? |
it falls under freedom of speech, i believe. "freedom of speech" has been generalized to include any action that espouses a political or other viewpoint; flag-burning has been protected under this interpretation. so this loon is free to espouse his hatred of muslims and islam by burning books.
edited to add: curse you, nathan, for ninja'ing me in return!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:45 am Post subject: |
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(i'm allowed to do that, see, 'cause i'm an american with rights).
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:48 am Post subject: |
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So it's basically a "Do whatever the fuck you want" clause?
And inciting hatred isn't enough? It has to be violence?
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:08 am Post subject: |
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pretty much. judges in the u.s. are really careful about drawing lines that even appear to suppress. so neo-nazis were allowed to march in skokie, illinois (home to many holocaust survivors and descendants of same); all sorts of other racist groups have been allowed to have rallies.
there is some sense that if you allow people to actually hear the shit these people say, it will take away their credibility (because if they are suppressed, then they start saying things like "the government is keeping us quiet because they know we know the truth", and people get drawn in to the lure of hidden knowledge). sadly, it seems fewer and fewer americans have enough education, or sense, to recognize idiocy when they hear it.
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| Willem wrote: | So it's basically a "Do whatever the fuck you want" clause?
And inciting hatred isn't enough? It has to be violence? |
Pretty much. Unless it can be classed as harassment, libel, slander, or an incitement to violence, you're allowed to make an ass out of yourself. I just find it funny how they want to send them durn intolerant muslims a message: that they're inbred intolerant pig fuckers. Winning hearts and minds, folks.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| Everyone knows the answer to life's problems is book-burning! Fortunately it's just the Koran, so only radical Muslims will be offended. Average work-a-day Muslims couldn't give two shits! Especially those living in lands that aren't inclined to like the US very much: if anything they'll like us more now. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| mouse wrote: | | pretty much. judges in the u.s. are really careful about drawing lines that even appear to suppress. so neo-nazis were allowed to march in skokie, illinois (home to many holocaust survivors and descendants of same); all sorts of other racist groups have been allowed to have rallies. |
this reminded me of something that happened here some years back. the kkk wanted to adopt a section of I-55, which would involve posting signs on the highway stating that the kkk had adopted that stretch of road.
the missouri dot refused to their application as it would further racial descrimination using federal funds. the courts determined that the kkk couldn't be prevented from adopting the section of highway.
the state renamed that stretch "rosa parks highway."
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| Aren't they then obligated to keep it clean to a certain extent? |
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read the snopes link. they never did maintain the section they adopted, and the state finally dropped them from the program.
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