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Snorri



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrew wrote:
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But aren't those same qualities associated with all indie music?


Wait, what? No, absolutely not!

So Indie rap is refined, uncontroversional and all those things that indie rock is not?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The comment about indie not being a scene has more to do with me attempting (in vain) to thwart the masses of indie kids who insist on trying to terraform a scene that no one who actually enjoys music acknowledges exists.


You patronising cunt!

p.s. "indie kids". Talk about shooting yourself in your own patronising foot.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: how epic Reply with quote

andrew wrote:
Marik wrote:
Side mention:

I saw Modest Mouse in the indie section of two music stores recently.


Modest Mouse (& DCfC, and other bands who started on independent labels but later moved to major ones after developing a substantial following) tend to be problematic for those who misapply labels, but it's actually pretty easy. The bands are no longer indie: you can't be indie and be signed with Atlantic or Epic, sorry. But their music is still undeniably indie rock.


I'M INDIE! I'm not on ANY major label. Very Happy *strut*
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snorri wrote:
andrew wrote:
Snorri wrote:
But aren't those same qualities associated with all indie music?


Wait, what? No, absolutely not!

So Indie rap is refined, uncontroversional and all those things that indie rock is not?


It's not a matter of whether the qualities are possessed or not; it's a matter of whether those are the standout qualities which define the genre.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halen wrote:
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The comment about indie not being a scene has more to do with me attempting (in vain) to thwart the masses of indie kids who insist on trying to terraform a scene that no one who actually enjoys music acknowledges exists.


You patronising cunt!

p.s. "indie kids". Talk about shooting yourself in your own patronising foot.


I'm hoping you're kidding, since I was: it's a long standing joke that the only way to be a true indie kid is to not actually enjoy any music.

Also, "indie kid" isn't a dimunitive or pejorative.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrew wrote:
Snorri wrote:
andrew wrote:
Snorri wrote:
But aren't those same qualities associated with all indie music?


Wait, what? No, absolutely not!

So Indie rap is refined, uncontroversional and all those things that indie rock is not?


It's not a matter of whether the qualities are possessed or not; it's a matter of whether those are the standout qualities which define the genre.


You totally lost me there.
So you're saying that the raw, unproduced sound of Indie-rock is a standout quality, but that isn't the case in other indie-music?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So you're saying that the raw, unproduced sound of Indie-rock is a standout quality, but that isn't the case in other indie-music?


Exactly.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So you're saying that the raw, unproduced sound of Indie-rock is a standout quality, but that isn't the case in other indie-music?


Exactly.


So what is a standout quality in Indie-rap, for instance?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So you're saying that the raw, unproduced sound of Indie-rock is a standout quality, but that isn't the case in other indie-music?


Exactly.



I think, personally, you are lost in some half-arsed definition you've latched only your mind on to, and because you appear to be the most stubborn person ever born to humankind, you're never going to let go of that.

So really, you're a bit silly. I thumb my nose at you, and i'm going to listen to blur, who are indie.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i'm going to listen to blur, who are indie.


crazy beat, crazy beat m-yeah yeah
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dude, you're talking to the guy who lives in Seattle. This city cries little indie tears - each tear avoids the major traditional paths for tears down the curvature of the face.


Wait...

I thought Seattle produced grunge when it came out. Now it produces Indie? So like... that wouldn't have anything to do with the whole morphing process that people are talking about, would it?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: punch hard with fist Reply with quote

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I apologize, I was unclear in my response: the Wikipedia comment was with regard to the use of Indie as a genre.


Ok, good.

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They have yet to do so.
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i think they are.


This sounds like a unique opportunity to do a GROUNDWORK CASE STUDY

Next time I have to extract a friend from the bowels of the college radio building, I'm going to find out how many indie kids are casually genre-tizing "Indie" through association to Tha Scene.

I'm also going to call up my brother and say "Hey -- your band is indie" and see if he punches me when we next meet.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So what is a standout quality in Indie-rap, for instance?


Instead of continuing to quiz me on this, why not, you know, listen to the music and decide for yourself?

http://www.rhymesayers.com/
http://www.doomtree.net/
http://www.anti.com/
http://www.quannum.com/

Those should get you started.

Halen wrote:
I think, personally, you are lost in some half-arsed definition you've latched only your mind on to, and because you appear to be the most stubborn person ever born to humankind, you're never going to let go of that.

So really, you're a bit silly. I thumb my nose at you, and i'm going to listen to blur, who are indie.


I'm lacking in smilies again - namely, a kissy face one.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wait...

I thought Seattle produced grunge when it came out. Now it produces Indie? So like... that wouldn't have anything to do with the whole morphing process that people are talking about, would it?


No it wouldn't, since it continues to produce grunge, and the two aren't related.

Edit to add: be back later, actual work to do omg
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: 'bee ahrr bee' sounds so good as a food product Reply with quote

the conversation:

Me: Hey, you're indie.
My Brother: Fuck you, I'm hardcore.
Me: Your band is indie.
My Brother: Fuck you, we're hardcore.
Me: But you're also indie.
My Brother: Fuck you, we're hardcore.
Me: Well, what about not being on a major record label?
My Brother: Fuck you, that's independant, and we're hardcore. I'm at efrains.
Me: I want takeout.
My Brother: You want chimichangas.
Me: I want salsa verde enchiladas.
My Brother: No you w .. yes, we want salsa verde enchiladas. BEE AHRR BEE

I will grill his band for further clarification when they next arrive.
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