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Darqcyde
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On a lighter note, Cheezeburger Network is blacking out all of their sites.
From what I've gotten the main goal of all of this is to raise awareness of the issue.
Jimmy Wales said it best on twitter: “Student warning! Do your homework early. Wikipedia protesting bad law on Wednesday!”
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CTrees
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Darqcyde wrote: | | On a lighter note, Cheezeburger Network is blacking out all of their sites. |
See, some good can come from any disaster!
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Darqcyde
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/popular-websites-dark-over-sopa-controversy-174211626.html
| Quote: | | Also joining Wikipedia in going black are Reddit, Minecraft, Craigslist, and Boing Boing, among others |
In Notch's own words:
| Quote: | | “Overzealous and vaguely formulated attempts to fight online piracy is of the scariest developments in online policies in recent times, which is why Mojang has been working to help destroy this legislation - but we can clearly do better,” Markus Persson, Mojang’s newly appointed Vacation Expert, said. “It’s very important that all Internet stakeholders work together on this. Getting it right is worth the wait. Mojang will support all efforts to make sure information stays free.” |
Also Rupert Murdoch tweeted
| Quote: | | "Piracy leader is Google who streams movies free, sells [ads] around them. No wonder pouring millions into lobbying." |
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| CTrees wrote: | | stuff about SOPA |
What you're doing is playing into the fear that this act will have any consequence what-so-ever. It won't. It will never have the chance to come into effect. It is basically the US government thinking it's arrogant and ignorant enough to think an act that would affect the world would have no (major) repercussions, and you playing into their palms like a lamb to the slaughter is hilarious. As I said in my previous post, the whole of the internet is not in possession of the US government, nor is it their property, nor are servers in the US owned solely by US contractors. Do you honestly believe just a handful people or companies would resist the passing of this act? Look at the major websites who already oppose it on principle, as well as the general outrage of people within and outside the US. It will never, ever pass, and if it does I will give it at most a day before the shitstorm that inevitably will come. It's a delusion, and right now I'm trying to figure out who's more delusional.
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ShadowCell
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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oh god
we're in bizarro world! everything is upside down! nothing makes sense! ponies are manlier than vampires! Republicans are sounding like socialists! Guest is telling us not to worry about US government overreach because, i mean, lol, it's not like they can do that or something! the seams of the world are coming undone! no, world! stop it! go back to making sense! nooooooooooo
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WheelsOfConfusion
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Guest wrote: | | CTrees wrote: | | stuff about SOPA |
What you're doing is playing into the fear that this act will have any consequence what-so-ever. It won't. It will never have the chance to come into effect. It is basically the US government thinking it's arrogant and ignorant enough to think an act that would affect the world would have no (major) repercussions, and you playing into their palms like a lamb to the slaughter is hilarious. As I said in my previous post, the whole of the internet is not in possession of the US government, nor is it their property, nor are servers in the US owned solely by US contractors. Do you honestly believe just a handful people or companies would resist the passing of this act? Look at the major websites who already oppose it on principle, as well as the general outrage of people within and outside the US. It will never, ever pass, and if it does I will give it at most a day before the shitstorm that inevitably will come. It's a delusion, and right now I'm trying to figure out who's more delusional. |
Financial companies like Visa and Mastercard that handle the payment services that run internet retail worldwide are subject to US laws, from what I've heard. Part of the problem with SOPA is that it allowed publishers to demand that these payment handlers cease doing business with accused infringers. A company's website doesn't have to be based on US servers for SOPA to affect their online transactions worldwide.
Anyway, the MPAA has conceded that DNS filtering is off the table in discussions of the bill going forward. |
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| ShadowCell wrote: | | I CAN SEE TIME |
I really kind of wish SOPA was some sort of terrifying Dr. Who plot. If only because that option is infinitely less depressing than the one that involves all these politicians that have no basic understanding of how the internet even works. |
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CTrees
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| Samsally wrote: | | ShadowCell wrote: | | I CAN SEE TIME |
I really kind of wish SOPA was some sort of terrifying Dr. Who plot. If only because that option is infinitely less depressing than the one that involves all these politicians that have no basic understanding of how the internet even works. |
Well you know, it's not like a truck. It's a series of tubes.
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| that trend on twitter of kids complaining they wouldn't be able to do their home work was pretty depressingly hilarious |
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Monkey Mcdermott
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| Guest wrote: | | CTrees wrote: | | stuff about SOPA |
What you're doing is playing into the fear that this act will have any consequence what-so-ever. It won't. It will never have the chance to come into effect. It is basically the US government thinking it's arrogant and ignorant enough to think an act that would affect the world would have no (major) repercussions, and you playing into their palms like a lamb to the slaughter is hilarious. As I said in my previous post, the whole of the internet is not in possession of the US government, nor is it their property, nor are servers in the US owned solely by US contractors. Do you honestly believe just a handful people or companies would resist the passing of this act? Look at the major websites who already oppose it on principle, as well as the general outrage of people within and outside the US. It will never, ever pass, and if it does I will give it at most a day before the shitstorm that inevitably will come. It's a delusion, and right now I'm trying to figure out who's more delusional. |
You have no idea what you're talking about. You are the one who is delusional. Governments seize property all the time. The U.S. government does it ALL THE TIME. Do yourself a favor and google U.S. Government Seizure of Assets. Then tell yourself that the outrage of a handful of websites, a group comprised very likely out of those who don't donate to election funds in any serious amount anyway, and *snrk* people outside the u.s. (protip, there's a small but very loud group of people in the united states who would be happier if we did exactly everything that pissed off "people outside the u.s." because hey, fuck those foreigners, our laws are none of their god damn business) matters in any way to the people who are making these decisions and the high court that will ultimately judge its legality. |
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Darqcyde
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| Samsally wrote: | | ShadowCell wrote: | | I CAN SEE TIME |
I really kind of wish SOPA was some sort of terrifying Dr. Who plot. If only because that option is infinitely less depressing than the one that involves all these politicians that have no basic understanding of how the internet even works. |
to me, this is the REALLY scary thing about the current state of American Government (national, state, and local levels). The whole idea behind a representative system vs. a direct democracy is supposed to be that the people we choose as our lawmakers and leaders are supposed to be more knowledgable and more capable than the "average citizen". It's supposed to be so people can focus more on doing their given vocations better as opposed to spending hours and hours of their day worrying about how the country is run. Somewhere along the way this has all got pretty fucked up.
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Darqcyde
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| Monkey Mcdermott wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | CTrees wrote: | | stuff about SOPA |
What you're doing is playing into the fear that this act will have any consequence what-so-ever. It won't. It will never have the chance to come into effect. It is basically the US government thinking it's arrogant and ignorant enough to think an act that would affect the world would have no (major) repercussions, and you playing into their palms like a lamb to the slaughter is hilarious. As I said in my previous post, the whole of the internet is not in possession of the US government, nor is it their property, nor are servers in the US owned solely by US contractors. Do you honestly believe just a handful people or companies would resist the passing of this act? Look at the major websites who already oppose it on principle, as well as the general outrage of people within and outside the US. It will never, ever pass, and if it does I will give it at most a day before the shitstorm that inevitably will come. It's a delusion, and right now I'm trying to figure out who's more delusional. |
You have no idea what you're talking about. You are the one who is delusional. Governments seize property all the time. The U.S. government does it ALL THE TIME. Do yourself a favor and google U.S. Government Seizure of Assets. Then tell yourself that the outrage of a handful of websites, a group comprised very likely out of those who don't donate to election funds in any serious amount anyway, and *snrk* people outside the u.s. (protip, there's a small but very loud group of people in the united states who would be happier if we did exactly everything that pissed off "people outside the u.s." because hey, fuck those foreigners, our laws are none of their god damn business) matters in any way to the people who are making these decisions and the high court that will ultimately judge its legality. |
Besides, the US government doesn't need to twist the arm of all kinds of businesses or even a lot of business, only really the ISP's. Controlling the ISP's effectively allows you to control virtually all American's internet activities.
I ain't turning my PC into an apache server, been there, done that--fuck that noise.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| ShadowCell wrote: | oh god
we're in bizarro world! everything is upside down! nothing makes sense! ponies are manlier than vampires! Republicans are sounding like socialists! Guest is telling us not to worry about US government overreach because, i mean, lol, it's not like they can do that or something! the seams of the world are coming undone! no, world! stop it! go back to making sense! nooooooooooo
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Ah yes, and the United States government passes laws outside of the US all the time. In fact, they passed one over here just this morning. It was that law they passed about ... er... oh no wait, I have it at the tip of my tongue. It was ... wait wait wait. Ah, blast. Lost it. But they did, and it was truly awful. When I remember what it was, I'll let you know. Promise. Pinky-pie swear.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Monkey Mcdermott wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | CTrees wrote: | | stuff about SOPA |
What you're doing is playing into the fear that this act will have any consequence what-so-ever. It won't. It will never have the chance to come into effect. It is basically the US government thinking it's arrogant and ignorant enough to think an act that would affect the world would have no (major) repercussions, and you playing into their palms like a lamb to the slaughter is hilarious. As I said in my previous post, the whole of the internet is not in possession of the US government, nor is it their property, nor are servers in the US owned solely by US contractors. Do you honestly believe just a handful people or companies would resist the passing of this act? Look at the major websites who already oppose it on principle, as well as the general outrage of people within and outside the US. It will never, ever pass, and if it does I will give it at most a day before the shitstorm that inevitably will come. It's a delusion, and right now I'm trying to figure out who's more delusional. |
You have no idea what you're talking about. You are the one who is delusional. Governments seize property all the time. The U.S. government does it ALL THE TIME. Do yourself a favor and google U.S. Government Seizure of Assets. Then tell yourself that the outrage of a handful of websites, a group comprised very likely out of those who don't donate to election funds in any serious amount anyway, and *snrk* people outside the u.s. (protip, there's a small but very loud group of people in the united states who would be happier if we did exactly everything that pissed off "people outside the u.s." because hey, fuck those foreigners, our laws are none of their god damn business) matters in any way to the people who are making these decisions and the high court that will ultimately judge its legality. |
Oh, please get a fucking clue. Please!
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Martian Kyo
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| Mr Gary wrote: | | that trend on twitter of kids complaining they wouldn't be able to do their home work was pretty depressingly hilarious |
working that into your act?
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