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crayven



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbmorrie wrote:
Is anyone else offended by this feminism plot? I find the notion that men watching porn the real reason for women's inequality to be pretty insulting. I also hate the argument that "porn is degrading to women." Sex is not something done to women, it is something women participate in and if porn is degrading to women then it is degrading to men as well. Man, I really hope I am being trolled.

Someone who sees past the feminist veil.


@Adyon:
"men are inherently rapists and violent" - self-hating statement no.1
"men commit more crimes than women" ( no they don't they get reported more often ) - self-hating statement no.2
And the more recent "men's inherent drive to dominate others ( most likely women )" - there by assuming men are just instinct driven animals with absolutely no reason.


" You think there's no remnants of that left after only 50 freaking years or so?" - yeah i think so.
But hey by your logic we should be carefully be watching them evil germans ( damn Godwin's law ), no one knows what they are REALLY planning right?
50 years of peace couldn't have erased all the past could it, right?
Oh and them evil commies, never forget those. Stay out commies ! We're watching you, ya hear?

And you're supposed to be considered progressive?
Give a fucking break.

Oh that makes statement no.4 - you just said men aren't incapable of letting go to power and oppression ( the word "oppression" is used in your own definition, not its dictionary one as i explained earlier why someone toiling for your well being isn't oppression ).
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ktern



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the idea isn't that porn is the cause of inequality for women, but that it's a contributing factor toward sexist attitudes. if you want to read up a little on what's wrong with most porn today (and how it can be changed for the better) take a look at this: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/11/17/porn_that_women_like_why_does_it_make_men_so_uncomfortable_.html

other, more innocuous forms of media also contribute to the problem. shortpacked explains it well here (and this also ties into the above): http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/05-the-death-of-snkrs/falseequivalence/

(IMO, shortpacked handles feminism, homosexuality, and other potentially touchy subjects vastly better than sinfest, which just doesn't have enough space to really explain tat's positions)

another example that doesn't involve heavy sexualization/objectification is how disney princesses absolutely have to get the man to have a happy ending. brave is a good attempt at throwing away that notion

EDIT: oh, here's another good one. very appropriate: http://www.shortpacked.com/2012/comic/book-13/07-this-continues-to-be-so-babies/issuewithgender/
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Adyon



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crayven wrote:
"men are inherently rapists and violent" - self-hating statement no.1
"men commit more crimes than women" ( no they don't they get reported more often ) - self-hating statement no.2
And the more recent "men's inherent drive to dominate others ( most likely women )" - there by assuming men are just instinct driven animals with absolutely no reason.

Oh that makes statement no.4 - you just said men aren't incapable of letting go to power and oppression ( the word "oppression" is used in your own definition, not its dictionary one as i explained earlier why someone toiling for your well being isn't oppression ).

Just...stop. You're making yourself sound so bad I don't even want to reply.

As for your "self hating points" (AH HAHAA gimme a break), number 1 is bullshit and not true. We don't believe that. Number 2 is statistically true, and quoting something from information is not self-hating. WTF. Seriously. I'm not like that anyway, so why would it be self-hating? Maybe you're not either. Who knows, you sound like you're pretty angry at the world. You could snap anytime, but as of now I make no judgement. #3 is bullshit too. We don't believe that at all. You don't get any of our beliefs, so stop trying to put words in our mouths. You on the other hand and your angry anti-feminism group have all talked about how things like "porn" are natural because of base instincts. You once posted a lengthy topic about how are instincts were rooted in ancient "courting" rituals, etc. Yes, I remember this crap. Unlike you, I actually read and remember things. In fact, since I remember the thread it was in, I looked it up. Here you go: http://www.sinfest.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6295&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180
So now talking about biology at all is self-hating. You're all kinds of mixed up trying to prove whatever point you are trying to. What it all amounts to is you're clueless, you want to argue, and you're doing it badly. And number 4, I doubt you understood anything I was saying, as your statement is just a mess of thoughts like you were trying to turn my words around but didn't understand what I was talking about enough to do so.

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Adyon wrote:
" You think there's no remnants of that left after only 50 freaking years or so?"
- yeah i think so.
But hey by your logic we should be carefully be watching them evil germans ( damn Godwin's law ), no one knows what they are REALLY planning right?
50 years of peace couldn't have erased all the past could it, right?
Oh and them evil commies, never forget those. Stay out commies ! We're watching you, ya hear?

Well you're an idiot. I'm sorry, there's not much else to say. You are living in a freaking fantasy world where racism, sexism, and any lingerings of the past just VANISH the second people have any kind of change. Even though there are people still alive that LIVED THROUGH those things passing, many of which weren't happy with it at the time. Oh, and a lot of those people are still the world's BOSSES. Let alone those people raised kids with their beliefs. Or do you think people don't instill in their kids their own beliefs? Like how parents just let their kid freely pick their religion or lack of religion. Haha. Obviously there's not going to be any reasoning with you as you're so in your own pretend world, you'll never any point we make.

And you trying to prove your point by comparing it to Germans, etc. Haha cute. It's just more proof you don't get anything.


So yeah, In conclusion for everything you've said Crayven. You constantly post articles without reading them fully, you don't respond to people's comments correctly or understand anything they say, and you choose to condemn others for things that you yourself had used to make one of your points in earlier posts. I think you just want to hate...on anything. So argue with yourself instead.
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Vishaing



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
" You think there's no remnants of that left after only 50 freaking years or so?" - yeah i think so.
But hey by your logic we should be carefully be watching them evil germans ( damn Godwin's law ), no one knows what they are REALLY planning right?
50 years of peace couldn't have erased all the past could it, right?
Oh and them evil commies, never forget those. Stay out commies ! We're watching you, ya hear?


Actually? Yes. Yes we should. If the recent developments in the EU have shown anything its that Germany is so vastly more powerful economically than any other country in Europe that if they leveraged even a fraction of that Industrial Power towards a War Machine they could get a hell of a lot further than The Kaiser or The Fuhrer ever got.

So yes, if Germany elects a firebrand leader calling for a policy of the "Master Race" or starts supporting a policy of the expansion of German Borders at the expense of their neighbors or the domination of 'Lesser Peoples' we should notice this and do something.

Hopefully if such a thing were to ever happen we the world will have learned something from the last time and we'll step in to kill the shit out of a movement like that before it gets out of hand.

Oh, fun fact: You know how you joked about the other nations of the world 'carefully watching' the Germans? Yeah, we totally do that. Even today Germany isn't allowed to have a major Army, being limited to a mere 370,000 personnel, cannot make, possess, own, or develop any nuclear or chemical weaponry, and Germany itself is not allowed to make any territorial claims having signed several treaties, both joint and individual, with its neighboring states confirming the present borders. Hell Germany can't even decide how to use its military on its own, it has to direct its actions in accordance with the UN Charter.

So, yeah, your point was?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"stop, stop, you are embarrassing yourself," crowed the man who knows he is right.

"But I am right!" laughs the other man, who knows he is right.
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