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ChastMastr

Joined: 15 Jul 2012 Posts: 478 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida, US
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Some papers I've been grading.
Some incredibly depressing discussion boards in which I seem to be the only person who thinks that mainstream DC Comics super-heroes shouldn't be killing people.
Need to get off the computer for a bit...  |
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Lich Mong

Joined: 31 May 2012 Posts: 475
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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ChastMastr wrote: | Some incredibly depressing discussion boards in which I seem to be the only person who thinks that mainstream DC Comics super-heroes shouldn't be killing people. | You really don't think the Joker should be killed, really? _________________ A MtG Webcomic |
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Feiticeira
Joined: 08 Jul 2006 Posts: 1798
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Lich Mong wrote: | ChastMastr wrote: | Some incredibly depressing discussion boards in which I seem to be the only person who thinks that mainstream DC Comics super-heroes shouldn't be killing people. | You really don't think the Joker should be killed, really? |
Violence doesn't solve anything, young man. |
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Samsally
Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 7536
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Lich Mong wrote: | ChastMastr wrote: | Some incredibly depressing discussion boards in which I seem to be the only person who thinks that mainstream DC Comics super-heroes shouldn't be killing people. | You really don't think the Joker should be killed, really? |
I don't think good story telling needs to rely on the threat of the very worst possible things ever to stay interesting. So no, in a good story, not only would the Joker not need to die, he wouldn't be threatening to blow everybody up every five seconds because some writer was too lazy to figure out a better way to hook the reader.
That's just what I look for, though. I suppose I could be unique in that. I love superhero stories, but I find I'm drawn for the ones that are generally made for younger audiences. Interestingly, nobody dies in them.
Edit to add: Though the Joker is a tricky example for me. I really enjoyed the Dark Knight -despite- the fact that the Joker kept threatening to blow people up. So, ultimately, it's one of those things that can be used well in story telling... but usually isn't. _________________ Samsally the GrayAce |
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ChastMastr

Joined: 15 Jul 2012 Posts: 478 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida, US
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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And a lot of it has to do with other characters being all kill-happy in the new continuity. Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and others. It just brings me down in a big way.  |
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ChastMastr

Joined: 15 Jul 2012 Posts: 478 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida, US
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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PS: I also did say on the other board that, yes, making the Joker the equivalent of Charles Manson ten or fifty times over makes it kind of ridiculous. It wouldn't be Batman or the Gotham cops. The relatives of all of his victims would burn Arkham to the ground and tear him limb from limb at that point... |
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Lich Mong

Joined: 31 May 2012 Posts: 475
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I just read a comic with Kyle getting the other lanterns to save Larfleeze's life from the last survivor of a race Larfleeze himself wiped out. So, I'm not currently inclined to agree that the heros of DC need to respect the life of evil people more. But, maybe I've just read too much Punisher.
However, context is all important. I would agree in most cases it would be unseemly for heros to actively kill people. I guess I would have to see the examples that are upsetting you.
Feiticeira wrote: | Violence doesn't solve anything, young man. | Not a big comic book reader, I see. _________________ A MtG Webcomic |
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ChastMastr

Joined: 15 Jul 2012 Posts: 478 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida, US
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Wonder Woman (killing a lot, lately), Hal Jordan (blasting heads off of opponents), Aquaman stabbing people with his trident, and more. The genuinely evil Amazons, gods, and Guardians (aieeeeee) are icing on the cake. I swear this is like Earth-3 or something.
However, I'm now burned out on arguing about DC. It doesn't seem to help and it hurts too much. So. |
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ChastMastr

Joined: 15 Jul 2012 Posts: 478 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida, US
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Lich Mong wrote: | I just read a comic with Kyle getting the other lanterns to save Larfleeze's life from the last survivor of a race Larfleeze himself wiped out. |
PS: Hmmm. Bedard, right, not Johns? I should check more of his stuff out. |
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Lasairfiona

Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 9718 Location: I have to be somewhere? ::runs around frantically::
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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DC is trying to be edgy. Unfortunately, just adding a higher death count doesn't make something edgy. _________________ Before God created Las he pondered on all the aspects a woman might have, he considered which ones would look good super-inflated and which ones to leave alone.
After much deliberation he gave her a giant comfort zone. - Michael |
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Lich Mong

Joined: 31 May 2012 Posts: 475
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:36 am Post subject: |
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ChastMastr wrote: | PS: Hmmm. Bedard, right, not Johns? I should check more of his stuff out. | I don't follow writers..... I know everything about lore and nothing about anything else.
Or at least I did know everything about lore. I've not had time to catch up after the 3rd reset.
Anyway, I'm cool with WW killing people, never made sense to me that she did not. I'd have to see the other examples to give you my thoughts, but--as you say-- it sounds like you've heard enough dissenting opinions from the penut gallery.
(I did think it was disappointing that Superman in JLA 52 acted like Superboy Prime, however, but the storyline picked up) _________________ A MtG Webcomic |
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Adyon

Joined: 27 May 2012 Posts: 1220 Location: Behind my Cintiq
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, the fact that they feel they need to be edgy to hook people is definitely a problem and shows a lack of writing skill. In comics like that, you want your edgy moments to be few (or they lose impact) and come in your STORY not just changing the actions of your characters. It's like SamSally said before about the Dark Knight. It actually used a situation where many are at risk and what more, did so in an edgy way. Batman wasn't edgy though. (At least more than he already was) If Batman had just been the edgy one, it would have been another simple popcorn flick. Nothing special or memorable.
I don't know for sure how to weigh in on the idea of the characters killing people specifically. I'm not opposed in certain circumstances. But the idea of them just beheading every enemy they happen to fight? That'd just get monotonous. _________________
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Kilgore

Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 2834 Location: The Marine Corps
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Finished Nixonland, now reading Coming Apart. _________________ "Whatever afflicts thee, their asses I shall kick"
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Kilgore

Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 2834 Location: The Marine Corps
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Finished Comming Apart. Much food for thought there. Now reading Mad as Hell, which picks up shortly after Nixonland ended, with much the same subject matter (i.e. the formative years of modern, American right-wing populism). _________________ "Whatever afflicts thee, their asses I shall kick"
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Lasairfiona

Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 9718 Location: I have to be somewhere? ::runs around frantically::
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Leviathan Wakes by James SA Corey. I should really learn that when my librarian friend highly recommends a book, I should just go block out some time in my week to sit down and read it. I read the first 100 pages last night and have been aching to sit down and read some more.
BTW, that is part of the reason I don't read as much as I would like - if I am in a good book, work/food/sleep seems secondary.  _________________ Before God created Las he pondered on all the aspects a woman might have, he considered which ones would look good super-inflated and which ones to leave alone.
After much deliberation he gave her a giant comfort zone. - Michael |
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