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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Haaretz:
Survey: Most Israeli Jews would support apartheid regime in Israel

Apartheid without shame or guilt

Yeah. The political climate in Israel is pretty fucked up.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Six Italian scientists were convicted of manslaughter for putting out a report that failed to predict a strong Earthquake a week later.
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It is completely ridiculous. The head of their natural disaster agency has already walked out and I hope more people will until this is resolved.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nature News has a more thorough story from when the case was still developing in September. Even though everyone tries to say the nuance, circumstances, and political execution of the event turns this into something else, it still smells like scapegoating to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haaretz is quite biased, so take what they say with a grain of salt (Kosher salt?).
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6 cases of children being raised by animals

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Unlike Rudyard Kipling's The Jungle Book, these tales of feral kids surviving in the wild are decidedly darker and reportedly true

To coax her two daughters to sleep, British housewife Marina Chapman would tell them bedtime stories about growing up in the jungle. These were no fairy tales, though — they were based on her own life. At the age of 5, Chapman, who then lived in Colombia was reportedly kidnapped and abandoned in the jungle, left for dead. She managed to join in cahoots with a tribe of capuchin monkeys, "copying what they ate and drank, their social activities, their language," until she was a part of the family, which she stayed with for five years. Chapman chronicles her extraordinary tale in her book The Girl With No Name: The Incredible True Story of the Girl Raised by Monkeys, but hers is not the first incredible tale of a child raised in the wild. Here, Marina's story and five other reported cases of children raised by animals:

1. Raised by monkeys

When she was about five years old, Marina Chapman says she was kidnapped, probably for ransom, but was then abandoned in the Colombian jungle. For some five years, she lived out in the wild, where she was taken in by a group of capuchin monkeys, which experts say are known to accept young children into their fold. The animals taught young Marina how to catch birds and rabbits with her bare hands, so she was able to survive. She rejoined the human world when she was taken by hunters and sold to a brothel, from which she eventually escaped.

2. Raised by goats

In June 2012, social workers in Russia discovered a toddler who had been locked in a room with goats by his mother. The boy reportedly played and slept with the goats, but nourishment was apparently hard to come by as he weighed a third less than a typical child of his age. When the child was rescued, his mother had disappeared. Doctors have since tried to acclimate the toddler to human life, with some difficulty. "He refused to sleep in the cot. He tried to get underneath and sleep there. He was very scared of adults," one doctor said.

3. Raised by feral cats and dogs

In 2009, welfare workers were led to an unheated flat in a Siberian town where they found a 5-year-old girl they called "Natasha." While technically living with her father and other relatives, Natasha was treated like one of the many dogs and feral cats that shared the space. Like her furry companions, Natasha lapped up food from bowls left on the floor. She didn't know any human words and only communicated with hisses and barks. The father was nowhere to be found when authorities rescued the girl, and Natasha has since been placed in an orphanage.

4. Raised by wild cats

Argentinean police discovered an abandoned 1-year-old boy surrounded by eight wild cats in 2008. The cats reportedly kept the boy alive during the freezing winter nights by laying on top of him and even tried to lick the crusted mud from his skin. The boy was also seen eating scraps of food likely foraged by his protective brood.

5. Raised by wild dogs

A 10-year-old Chilean boy was found in 2001 to have been living in a cave with a pack of dogs for at lest two years. The boy had already survived a rough and unstable childhood, having been abandoned by his parents and then fleeing alternative care. Alone, the child sought refuge with a pack of dogs who helped him scavenge for food and even protected him. Officials said the boy might have even drunk milk from one of the female dogs. "They were like his family," a spokesman said.

6. Raised by wolves

One of the most well-documented cases of children raised by wild animals is that of Kamala and Amala, better known as the "wolf children." Discovered in 1920 in the jungles of Godamuri, India, the girls, aged 3 and about 8 had been living with a she-wolf and her pack. It's not known if the girls were from the same family, but the man who found the girls, Reverend J.A.L. Singh, took them back to his orphanage where he tried to get them accustomed to their human surroundings. While the girls made some progress over the years, both eventually came down with fatal illnesses leaving the reverend to wonder "if the right thing to do would have been to leave these children in the wild where I found them."


http://theweek.com/article/index/235216/6-cases-of-children-being-raised-by-animals
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Him wrote:
From Haaretz:
Survey: Most Israeli Jews would support apartheid regime in Israel

Apartheid without shame or guilt

Yeah. The political climate in Israel is pretty fucked up.


Not that I disagree with you by and large on this, but the data was "creatively" interpreted by the writer, Gideon Levy, Haaretz being a political journal after all.

Here is one example of contradictory findings :http://honestreporting.com/haaretz-creates-non-existent-apartheid-state/

Not that I condone that piece of news. Anything with "honest"' in the title tickles my funny bone when reading online news. But they do have a point about the way data was read.

All too often, journalists go for the drama, risking exposure and rebuttal when they didn't cast their duck in a row beforehand. And all too often they throw babies along with the bath water as just a part of their data was found false.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Him wrote:
From Haaretz:
Survey: Most Israeli Jews would support apartheid regime in Israel

Apartheid without shame or guilt

Yeah. The political climate in Israel is pretty fucked up.


Not that I disagree with you by and large on this, but the data was "creatively" interpreted by the writer, Gideon Levy, Haaretz being a political journal after all.

Here is one example of contradictory findings :http://honestreporting.com/haaretz-creates-non-existent-apartheid-state/

Not that I condone that piece of news. Anything with "honest"' in the title tickles my funny bone when reading online news. But they do have a point about the way data was read.

All too often, journalists go for the drama, risking exposure and rebuttal when they didn't cast their duck in a row beforehand. And all too often they throw babies along with the bath water as just a part of their data was found false.

Not so much worried about the "honest" part as about "defending Israel from media bias". So it's a pro-israeli lobbygroup. Which would explain the odd headline. And the following article. Haaretz is only "radical left" compared to the lunacy that is most of the israeli media. Which the website you linked aptly demonstrates in the following sentences:

"This makes the question of voting rights for Palestinians in an annexed West Bank entirely moot. That such a large majority of the Israeli public would deny such a right to Palestinians is unsurprising given that this would effectively lead to the end of Israel as a Jewish state if it allowed Palestinians to vote as equal citizens or the end of Israel as a democratic state if it denied Palestinians those rights."

"And instead of the third who expressed a negative opinion, what about the vast majority (59%) of Israeli Jews who do not support banning Israeli Arabs from voting for the Knesset?

These are examples of Levy’s propensity to take statistics and twist them to suit his nasty agenda."

Orrrr...it says a third of those responding want to strip arabs in israel of their voting rights. That only 59% would oppose it is hardly something to beat your chest about.

"Take a sample of 503 Jews out of some six million living in Israel and you will find prejudices and biases that are present in any population in any country of the world. While Jews are not unique in this regard, a fear of the “other” could be better understood by the particular circumstances that Israelis feel when it comes to their personal security in a very dangerous neighborhood."

If any of these numbers had come from any country but had been about, say...jews? Yeah, not so sure I'd be that cool about it if tomorrow there was a poll showing a third of swedes wanted to strip jews of their voting rights. Not to mention how the reaction from the israeli media would be, I mean their hysteria level is already permanently jammed on code red.

So yeah, what this webpage means with "honest" reporting is, unsurprisingly, the exact opposite, it's a propaganda organ. But thanks for a further example of the upfuckedness of the israeli media climate.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"A third" is less than "most," so there's that.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this quote from Haaretz to be rather funny:

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The issue that should have sparked panic in the survey is the total consensus among Israeli Jews - regardless of religious, ethnic or political differences - that the "guiding principle" for the country and for Judaism itself is "to remember the Holocaust." Ninety-eight percent of the respondents consider it either fairly important or very important to remember the Holocaust, attributing to it even more weight than to living in Israel, the Sabbath, the Passover seder and the feeling of belonging to the Jewish people.


Also another article where they damn near insinuate that Israel has nothing to fear at all and the government is just using fear of another holocaust to stay in office.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think mere racial profiling is an issue, how 'bout this bullshit here:

Informant: NYPD paid me to 'bait' Muslims
By ADAM GOLDMAN and MATT APUZZO | Associated Press – 17 hrs ago

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NEW YORK (AP) — A paid informant for the New York Police Department's intelligence unit was under orders to "bait" Muslims into saying inflammatory things as he lived a double life, snapping pictures inside mosques and collecting the names of innocent people attending study groups on Islam, he told The Associated Press.

Shamiur Rahman, a 19-year-old American of Bangladeshi descent who has now denounced his work as an informant, said police told him to embrace a strategy called "create and capture." He said it involved creating a conversation about jihad or terrorism, then capturing the response to send to the NYPD. For his work, he earned as much as $1,000 a month and goodwill from the police after a string of minor marijuana arrests.

"We need you to pretend to be one of them," Rahman recalled the police telling him. "It's street theater."

Rahman said he now believes his work as an informant against Muslims in New York was "detrimental to the Constitution." After he disclosed to friends details about his work for the police — and after he told the police that he had been contacted by the AP — he stopped receiving text messages from his NYPD handler, "Steve," and his handler's NYPD phone number was disconnected.

Rahman's account shows how the NYPD unleashed informants on Muslim neighborhoods, often without specific targets or criminal leads. Much of what Rahman said represents a tactic the NYPD has denied using. The AP corroborated Rahman's account through arrest records and weeks of text messages between Rahman and his police handler. The AP also reviewed the photos Rahman sent to police. Friends confirmed Rahman was at certain events when he said he was there, and former NYPD officials, while not personally familiar with Rahman, said the tactics he described were used by informants.

Informants like Rahman are a central component of the NYPD's wide-ranging programs to monitor life in Muslim neighborhoods since the 2001 terrorist attacks. Police officers have eavesdropped inside Muslim businesses, trained video cameras on mosques and collected license plates of worshippers. Informants who trawl the mosques — known informally as "mosque crawlers" — tell police what the imam says at sermons and provide police lists of attendees, even when there's no evidence they committed a crime.

The programs were built with unprecedented help from the CIA.

Police recruited Rahman in late January, after his third arrest on misdemeanor drug charges, which Rahman believed would lead to serious legal consequences. An NYPD plainclothes officer approached him in a Queens jail and asked whether he wanted to turn his life around.
The next month, Rahman said, he was on the NYPD's payroll.

NYPD spokesman Paul Browne did not immediately return a message seeking comment on Tuesday. He has denied widespread NYPD spying, saying police only follow leads.

In an Oct. 15 interview with the AP, however, Rahman said he received little training and spied on "everything and anyone." He took pictures inside the many mosques he visited and eavesdropped on imams. By his own measure, he said he was very good at his job and his handler never once told him he was collecting too much, no matter whom he was spying on.

Rahman said he thought he was doing important work protecting New York City and considered himself a hero. One of his earliest assignments was to spy on a lecture at the Muslim Student Association at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in Manhattan. The speaker was Ali Abdul Karim, the head of security at the Masjid At-Taqwa mosque in Brooklyn. The NYPD had been concerned about Karim for years and already had infiltrated the mosque, according to NYPD documents obtained by the AP.

Rahman also was instructed to monitor the student group itself, though he wasn't told to target anyone specifically. His NYPD handler, Steve, told him to take pictures of people at the events, determine who belonged to the student association and identify its leadership. On Feb. 23, Rahman attended the event with Karim and listened, ready to catch what he called a "speaker's gaffe." The NYPD was interested in buzz words such as "jihad" and "revolution," he said. Any radical rhetoric, the NYPD told him, needed to be reported.

John Jay president Jeremy Travis said Tuesday that police had not told the school about the surveillance. He did not say whether he believed the tactic was appropriate. "As an academic institution, we are committed to the free expression of ideas and to creating a safe learning environment for all of our students," he said in a written statement. "We are working closely with our Muslim students to affirm their rights and to reassure them that we support their organization and freedom to assemble."

Talha Shahbaz, then the vice president of the student group, met Rahman at the event. As Karim was finishing his talk on Malcolm X's legacy, Rahman told Shahbaz that he wanted to know more about the student group. They had briefly attended the same high school in Queens. Rahman said he wanted to turn his life around and stop using drugs, and said he believed Islam could provide a purpose in life. In the following days, Rahman friended him on Facebook and the two exchanged phone numbers. Shahbaz, a Pakistani who came to the U.S. more three years ago, introduced Rahman to other Muslims.

"He was telling us how he loved Islam and it's changing him," said Asad Dandia, who also became friends with Rahman. Secretly, Rahman was mining his new friends for details about their lives, taking pictures of them when they ate at restaurants and writing down license plates on the orders of the NYPD.


Full story: http://news.yahoo.com/informant-nypd-paid-bait-muslims-134358506.html
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam the Eagle wrote:
Him wrote:
From Haaretz:
Survey: Most Israeli Jews would support apartheid regime in Israel

Apartheid without shame or guilt

Yeah. The political climate in Israel is pretty fucked up.


Not that I disagree with you by and large on this, but the data was "creatively" interpreted by the writer, Gideon Levy, Haaretz being a political journal after all.

Here is one example of contradictory findings :http://honestreporting.com/haaretz-creates-non-existent-apartheid-state/

Not that I condone that piece of news. Anything with "honest"' in the title tickles my funny bone when reading online news. But they do have a point about the way data was read.

All too often, journalists go for the drama, risking exposure and rebuttal when they didn't cast their duck in a row beforehand. And all too often they throw babies along with the bath water as just a part of their data was found false.


Oh man the best quote from there is:

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And instead of the third who expressed a negative opinion, what about the vast majority (59%) of Israeli Jews who do not support banning Israeli Arabs from voting for the Knesset?
These are examples of Levy’s propensity to take statistics and twist them to suit his nasty agenda.


Yeah Levy why you gotta be all nasty with your agenda and not mention how almost 60% of the people aren't the fucking racistest!

no wait I'm kidding the entire article is the best quotes ever. Why you gotta link honestreporting yo? they're pretty much as pro-Israel as it gets.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"A third" is less than "most," so there's that.


Yeah but when a US-survey says that a third of the populace support taking away black people's right to vote you wouldn't point out that they neglected to mention that it means the other two thirds clearly don't support that?

Also, "most" didn't refer to that. It refers how most Israelis don't support giving the right to vote to palestinians if Israel annexed the West Bank.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah but when a US-survey says that a third of the populace support taking away black people's right to vote you wouldn't point out that they neglected to mention that it means the other two thirds clearly don't support that?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fritterdonut wrote:
I found this quote from Haaretz to be rather funny:

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The issue that should have sparked panic in the survey is the total consensus among Israeli Jews - regardless of religious, ethnic or political differences - that the "guiding principle" for the country and for Judaism itself is "to remember the Holocaust." Ninety-eight percent of the respondents consider it either fairly important or very important to remember the Holocaust, attributing to it even more weight than to living in Israel, the Sabbath, the Passover seder and the feeling of belonging to the Jewish people.


Also another article where they damn near insinuate that Israel has nothing to fear at all and the government is just using fear of another holocaust to stay in office.

That's a false dilemma. Of course the israeli establishment is using extremely nationalist, paranoid and siege-rhetoric. And again the support for apartheid is good proof of that. Another thing to keep in mind is that the foreignminister Lieberman is also form the far raight populists openly talking about apartheid and has his background with the fascist Kahanite movement.
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