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Random Wanderer
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| ...I suppose I may be pointing out the obvious, but this strip feels awfully cynical. |
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StateOfBedlam
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| Random Wanderer wrote: | | ...I suppose I may be pointing out the obvious, but this strip feels awfully cynical. |
How so? It's just a criticism of a certain kind of plot/character.
How apt that criticism actually is is another matter, of course. |
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Bart
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"And he lived happily ever after."
A nice touch. |
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vzcom
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| I laughed, I cried, I... drank my coffee. Oscar! |
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Shadow Master
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| Random Wanderer wrote: | | ...I suppose I may be pointing out the obvious, but this strip feels awfully cynical. |
Cynicism is often in the eye of the beholder.
For instance, when I look at this strip, I see satire, not cynicism.
As in, making fun of a supposed stereotype that doesn't actually exist. |
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Monkey Mcdermott
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Shadow Master wrote: | | Random Wanderer wrote: | | ...I suppose I may be pointing out the obvious, but this strip feels awfully cynical. |
Cynicism is often in the eye of the beholder.
For instance, when I look at this strip, I see satire, not cynicism.
As in, making fun of a supposed stereotype that doesn't actually exist. |
Buffy the tv show
Twilight
The New Girl
There's something about Mary
You aren't paying attention to media representations of women or men if you think brooding sensitive male character and quirky high energy romantic interest woman aren't stereotypes that exist.
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Felgraf
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Monkey Mcdermott wrote: | | Shadow Master wrote: | | Random Wanderer wrote: | | ...I suppose I may be pointing out the obvious, but this strip feels awfully cynical. |
Cynicism is often in the eye of the beholder.
For instance, when I look at this strip, I see satire, not cynicism.
As in, making fun of a supposed stereotype that doesn't actually exist. |
Buffy the tv show
Twilight
The New Girl
There's something about Mary
You aren't paying attention to media representations of women or men if you think brooding sensitive male character and quirky high energy romantic interest woman aren't stereotypes that exist. |
... The girl in twilight was quirky and high energy?
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Miss Magenta
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ShadowCell
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in the book she was played off as at least quirky and different and oh so superior to her mindless shallow peers.
in the movie she came off as if she was constantly stoned, but that has more to do with Kristen Stewart being a female Keanu Reeves. |
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Shadow Master
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| Monkey Mcdermott wrote: | | Shadow Master wrote: | | Random Wanderer wrote: | | ...I suppose I may be pointing out the obvious, but this strip feels awfully cynical. |
Cynicism is often in the eye of the beholder.
For instance, when I look at this strip, I see satire, not cynicism.
As in, making fun of a supposed stereotype that doesn't actually exist. |
Buffy the tv show
Twilight
The New Girl
There's something about Mary
You aren't paying attention to media representations of women or men if you think brooding sensitive male character and quirky high energy romantic interest woman aren't stereotypes that exist. |
...you do realize those are TV shows?
As in, they're not real?
The characters in them are fictional?
And I was talking strictly about the exaggerated male character archetype in this strip. It's a blatant hyperbole for the sake of humor. The last panel should make that pretty evident. |
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Wheel
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| Barbra Streisand did the MPDG thing in that movie with Ryan ONeill where he played a geologist who played music on rocks or something. |
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Zhuinden
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| Bart wrote: | "And he lived happily ever after."
A nice touch. |
That is genius. |
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Monkey Mcdermott
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| Shadow Master wrote: | | Monkey Mcdermott wrote: | | Shadow Master wrote: | | Random Wanderer wrote: | | ...I suppose I may be pointing out the obvious, but this strip feels awfully cynical. |
Cynicism is often in the eye of the beholder.
For instance, when I look at this strip, I see satire, not cynicism.
As in, making fun of a supposed stereotype that doesn't actually exist. |
Buffy the tv show
Twilight
The New Girl
There's something about Mary
You aren't paying attention to media representations of women or men if you think brooding sensitive male character and quirky high energy romantic interest woman aren't stereotypes that exist. |
...you do realize those are TV shows?
As in, they're not real?
The characters in them are fictional?
And I was talking strictly about the exaggerated male character archetype in this strip. It's a blatant hyperbole for the sake of humor. The last panel should make that pretty evident. |
Dude who missed the point post ^
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jrdelirio
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| Shadow Master wrote: |
And I was talking strictly about the exaggerated male character archetype in this strip. It's a blatant hyperbole for the sake of humor. The last panel should make that pretty evident. |
Was gonna mention... in the last panel he assumes a pose more akin to that of Action Hero Guy than of Sensitive Guy.
Though in some MPDG scenarios you often DO see the Leading Man character end up ostensibly "softened" as part of the character change triggered by her pixie magic, in others you will have a story where he may be brooding sensitively but underlying it one of his main factors of attractiveness is still his power to kick ass and protect the Girl, making it a Dudebro scenario . |
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Dogen
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| Monkey Mcdermott wrote: | | Shadow Master wrote: | | Monkey Mcdermott wrote: | | Shadow Master wrote: | | Random Wanderer wrote: | | ...I suppose I may be pointing out the obvious, but this strip feels awfully cynical. |
Cynicism is often in the eye of the beholder.
For instance, when I look at this strip, I see satire, not cynicism.
As in, making fun of a supposed stereotype that doesn't actually exist. |
Buffy the tv show
Twilight
The New Girl
There's something about Mary
You aren't paying attention to media representations of women or men if you think brooding sensitive male character and quirky high energy romantic interest woman aren't stereotypes that exist. |
...you do realize those are TV shows?
As in, they're not real?
The characters in them are fictional?
And I was talking strictly about the exaggerated male character archetype in this strip. It's a blatant hyperbole for the sake of humor. The last panel should make that pretty evident. |
Dude who missed the point post ^ |
... not to mention that he apparently doesn't know what satire is? Satire is mocking the vices or abuses of a person or people to shame them, not to make fun of something that doesn't exist. It would be odd to mock society for something society doesn't do... unless I'm misunderstanding his definition.
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