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3-2-2013: Flipping Burgers
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Felgraf



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gibson22 wrote:
khan wrote:
Correct me if i am wrong: people pay to watch ultra elite atheltes perform. Amirite? Explain how thats different from watching a girl get screwed by 20 guys in a row??


If you can't tell the difference from porn and athletes...then you might be watching some intense wrestling matches.


I was initially included to agree, but after thinking about it a bit more:

Given the utter DAMAGE some of these professional sports *do* to some of the athletes, *are* they that different? Modern sports are pretty exploitative too. They recruit people in their teens, they funnel them into something where it's perhaps the only job they'll be able to have, and they utterly wreck parts of their bodies (*especially* football, wrecking knees and, it's starting to look like, *brains* from repeated concussions).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The television show "Bob's burgers" has so much sexual fetish content that I'm surprised that the FCC hasn't banned the show. Then I remember that shows like "Family Guy" and "South Park" are still on TV and the validity of my complaint goes out the window.

I still believe "Bob's Burgers" is still a superior tv show by comparison.
Then again, that's just my opinion. Clearly I have not checked myself.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felgraf wrote:
Gibson22 wrote:
khan wrote:
Correct me if i am wrong: people pay to watch ultra elite atheltes perform. Amirite? Explain how thats different from watching a girl get screwed by 20 guys in a row??


If you can't tell the difference from porn and athletes...then you might be watching some intense wrestling matches.


I was initially included to agree, but after thinking about it a bit more:

Given the utter DAMAGE some of these professional sports *do* to some of the athletes, *are* they that different? Modern sports are pretty exploitative too. They recruit people in their teens, they funnel them into something where it's perhaps the only job they'll be able to have, and they utterly wreck parts of their bodies (*especially* football, wrecking knees and, it's starting to look like, *brains* from repeated concussions).


Nope, wrestling is gay and people get off to watching two lubed men rubbing against each other [Wait, are we talking about legitimate wrestling or television soap-opera wrestling?]. That's why I never volunteered to do it in high school.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felgraf wrote:
Gibson22 wrote:
khan wrote:
Correct me if i am wrong: people pay to watch ultra elite atheltes perform. Amirite? Explain how thats different from watching a girl get screwed by 20 guys in a row??


If you can't tell the difference from porn and athletes...then you might be watching some intense wrestling matches.


I was initially included to agree, but after thinking about it a bit more:

Given the utter DAMAGE some of these professional sports *do* to some of the athletes, *are* they that different? Modern sports are pretty exploitative too. They recruit people in their teens, they funnel them into something where it's perhaps the only job they'll be able to have, and they utterly wreck parts of their bodies (*especially* football, wrecking knees and, it's starting to look like, *brains* from repeated concussions).


Read both of these in their entirety, and you'll be amazed how much of a point you have come across.

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Banning College Football

Near the last part there is the most salient point re: exploitative careers. They are more than just similar, they are actually exploitative in the ways that most anti-porn types actively infer that pornography categorically is.

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Slate: Should the NFL be banned too?

Gladwell: As long as the risks are explicit, the players warned, and those injured properly compensated, then I'm not sure we can stop people from playing. A better question is whether it is ethical to WATCH football. That's a harder question.


You can regulate the porn industry to make sure that exploitative practices are strictly illegal and watchdog the industry to ensure a great degree of coverage for otherwise exploited performers, and unlike many positions in football it is possible to have a career in porn which does not come with that degree of unavoidable harm. There is no analogue to concussion crisis in porn where there is an unavoidable exploitation and harm to the performers.

Which means that the arguments that anti-porn activists make towards the categorical immorality of porn (which tend to be fatally flawed and mostly disregardable, but, still) would render watching football extremely immoral in insurmountable ways, especially considering that football openly recruits children.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last I checked women do porn of their own free will...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
Near the last part there is the most salient point re: exploitative careers. They are more than just similar, they are actually exploitative in the ways that most anti-porn types actively infer that pornography categorically is.

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Slate: Should the NFL be banned too?

Gladwell: As long as the risks are explicit, the players warned, and those injured properly compensated, then I'm not sure we can stop people from playing. A better question is whether it is ethical to WATCH football. That's a harder question.


You can regulate the porn industry to make sure that exploitative practices are strictly illegal and watchdog the industry to ensure a great degree of coverage for otherwise exploited performers, and unlike many positions in football it is possible to have a career in porn which does not come with that degree of unavoidable harm. There is no analogue to concussion crisis in porn where there is an unavoidable exploitation and harm to the performers.

Which means that the arguments that anti-porn activists make towards the categorical immorality of porn (which tend to be fatally flawed and mostly disregardable, but, still) would render watching football extremely immoral in insurmountable ways, especially considering that football openly recruits children.


So where do we stop then, since sports like basketball, baseball, hockey, and soccer often also have their players end up with debilitating injuries? Also, is it different from combat "sports" such as boxing and UFC MMA fights? What about the propagation and proliferation of substance abuse (hello Lance Armstrong)? Or how about the utter failing of morality that modern sports culture, from elementary school through pro levels, actually encourages (win, win, WIN!!!)?

Essentially, the idea of modern spectator sports can be traced back to origins that are essentially pseudo-combative competitions generally meant to be less lethal, not necessarily non-injurous or non-lethal.

Also, we as a culture, accept violence more readily than boobs (see movie and TV ratings). I think our traditional acceptance and obsession with sports and general disdain of nudity and gratuitous sexual situations is an extension of this.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the case of football the case is likely that school sports programs will begin dropping football over the case of the next ten years or so, and Football will likely end up like a caved-in sports dynasty by the time we're middle aged or old, similar to what happened to boxing.

In the interim a number of stopgap measures will involve changing of NFL rules and precautions involving concussions (which are not the major issue) and repetitive subconcussive trauma (which is) which may or may not change the game rather noticeably.

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Last I checked women do porn of their own free will...


Mostly. Don't kid yourself, though, exploitative porn operations exist, and the industry used to be corrupt and exploitative as a general rule. In some parts of the world, it still is.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam wrote:

Banning College Football
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Gladwell wrote:
Well, a college sport that enhances the academic experience is one that encourages maximum participation and physical fitness. In other words, it doesn't involve spending tens of millions of dollars on 40 people, some of whom are permanently injured as a result. It involves spending thousands of dollars on 4,000 or 40,000 people, in an attempt to make their lives more fulfilling.



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confuzledish wrote:
Last I checked women do porn of their own free will...

A large part of the porn debate, is the treatment of the workers too. Sex workers, porn or otherwise, aren't always from the most privileged of backgrounds. Out of necessity, they might endure certain abuses that wouldn't fly in other occupations.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
In the case of football the case is likely that school sports programs will begin dropping football over the case of the next ten years or so, and Football will likely end up like a caved-in sports dynasty by the time we're middle aged or old, similar to what happened to boxing.

Something tells me that where I currently live will be one of the longer hold outs, although things like the Penn State fiasco may help to move things along. I've already read stories in the local paper about declining youth football programs since the whole Sandusky debacle started.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could be wrong here, but I seriously don't see football going anywhere. Definitely not by the time we're middle-aged. It is too ingrained in American culture at this point. The Super Bowl is practically a holiday, and schools will continue to support it. It's similar to the growing presence of MMA clubs in schools.

I'm not saying it should go away of course.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a problem with Curly in this strip.

While her initial postulate is, I believe, true, Kcils' opinion is debatable and worth thinking. Instead of that, she went to the territory of insane troll logic and proposed that anything that's exploitative involves people downloading from the internet and jerking off to it.

Not one of her best moments in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol wrote:
I could be wrong here, but I seriously don't see football going anywhere. Definitely not by the time we're middle-aged. It is too ingrained in American culture at this point.


So was baseball, but watch that one atrophy away.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

redshirt26 wrote:
So Rule 34 also applies to flipping hamburgers? Huh, who knew?

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Rule 35: If there is no porn of it, porn of it must be made.

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Sam wrote:
lol wrote:
I could be wrong here, but I seriously don't see football going anywhere. Definitely not by the time we're middle-aged. It is too ingrained in American culture at this point.


So was baseball, but watch that one atrophy away.

Baseball wasn't going to go away until they fucked with the number of games. The baseball games are so fucking prolific now that they are boring. Instead of reducing the number of games to make it more interesting, they expanded the number of games in a hope to make more money. It might shoot them in the foot in the long run.

The steroids abuse didn't help but that was really a sign of the time period, not the game itself.

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