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14 Mar 2013 - Who Are You?
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Ricia



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leohan wrote:
From a storytelling point of view? Yeah, nigh impossible. However, if you take it rationally. Imagine yourself in his situation. Don't be mistaken by RL time. He has a memory of a month, tops. What if that was your case and then somebody told you "Hey, dawg! ...It's me, Mark! Remember? We work together in the weapons factory!" you'd like to at least stay near Mark and check out what the hell you were doing manufacturing weapons, even if you had become a pacifist by this point. Not having a memory means not having a past to validate your life. If a hint of a past appears, you'll go after it at full speed. Specially if you are young and innocent like Lily here.


But Lily has gotten glimpses of his past, when he first got back to his house and explored. He knows he used to be a devil worshipper and a jerk. He doesn't seem too eager to go back to that.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder if Seymour will try to convert him now.


Well.. his chance has arrived. He's already a little converted by proxy from Pebbles, though she gets a lot wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vancore wrote:
Yinello wrote:
I wonder if Seymour will try to convert him now.


Well.. his chance has arrived. He's already a little converted by proxy from Pebbles, though she gets a lot wrong.


Unless he can bring it as cute as she can, I see no win.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:
Vancore wrote:
Yinello wrote:
I wonder if Seymour will try to convert him now.


Well.. his chance has arrived. He's already a little converted by proxy from Pebbles, though she gets a lot wrong.


Unless he can bring it as cute as she can, I see no win.


What if he hauls out peace and love again?
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Miss Magenta



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leohan wrote:
He's a small child,


He's old enough to have his own house with absolutely no parental supervision, and old enough to get a job. He's also the same height as Crim in the reality zone, who is presumably an adult. So he - Li'l E - is either a teenager or an adult himself.

So. Uh. I don't think he constitutes as a small child.

He is more innocent now than he was prior to the lethe affair - of course. He's about as innocent as he was when he was first introduced as a character in 2002. But he is not a small child, at least not anymore. He knows enough about who he used to be and what he used to do to know that he doesn't want to go back to that. He knows bits and pieces of his past and he has decided that this is who he wants to be.

He's experienced so many things, so many positive things that have and will continue to directly effect who he has decided to be. Li'l E refused to let people into his heart, into his life, because he felt he cannot trust anyone after all the things he had been through. The lethe helped him overcome that - and Pebbles forcibly wormed her way into his heart as his friend and sister figure and experience the kind of friendship he could never have before, because of his past. Even if he remembers everything about who he used to be, and everything that happened to him, it's unlikely that he is going to go back to that because he's found someone - he's found something, that makes him genuinely happy without having to force himself into being someone he wasn't.

So unless Tat decides to throw in some new factors into the whole ordeal, I'm pretty sure there is nothing to worry about here.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:
I wonder if Seymour will try to convert him now.


dude - he's an angel*. how much more converted does he need to be?











*yes, i am aware that he is not actually an angel. this is more a poke at seymour's (lack of) ability to distinguish surface appearance from inner being.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah... I guess that I always saw him as 11, 12ish but there's enouh evidence of the other way around.

We'll see what happens. Will try to maintain a positive attitude.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always personally seen him like, 14, 15. Old enough to legally get a job in certain areas and to be old enough to... not make me uncomfortable about the fact that he was sexually attracted to his father and seemed to have looked at porn of Fuchsia on a frequent basis.

Lately his portrayal would fit in line with that of an 11-12 year old, so to see him as such isn't that big of a deal. He acts like one quite a bit lately.

Similarly, I couldn't be one to blame you because I've always seen Seymour as a 12 year old even though I know that it's not very likely because he's clearly old enough to legally own firearms. It's not like Tat is going to look you dead in the eye and say "no." so I'm pretty sure you could just... see him as old or as young as you want to see him since I'm pretty sure that their ages are ambiguous and unimportant - they're as old as they need to be when they need to be, and as young as they want to be. I mean, that goes for both Seymour and Li'l E.

But yeah. Let's hope for the best, regardless. If things turn sour, then so be it. If things continue being pleasant, then that's great. I'm sure it'll be an entertaining and enjoyable ride either way.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always seen Seymour as more forty or fifty, probably because that's the age I see most with super evangelists.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ehhh... I always saw him as like, 12, because he reminds me of a boy I used to be friends with at about age 12... and he kind of acts like a child most of the time, a spoiled child whose parents coddled and could never say no to.

Though technically, he's probably older than that. According to Tat's college run of Sinfest, he was in highschool when Slick was in college. So he's younger than Slick, but older than how I saw him. How old he actually is depends vastly on how old Slick is, though.

But seeing him as about that age (40-50) makes just as much sense as seeing him as 12, so, like. Yeah.

IDK why I'm talking about this. Because it's interesting to me, maybe.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leohan wrote:
"Hey, dawg! ...It's me, Mark! Remember? We work together in the weapons factory!"

"RIGHT!! Phil! From the warehouse! With the pains in his head!"
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miss Magenta wrote:
Tat's college run of Sinfest, he was in highschool when Slick was in college.

WHAT?

WHERE IS THIS FROM AND HOW COME I MISSED IT?


Also if Tat came look at me in the eye to say "NO" then I would consider myself honored by his presence. It's not like if, say, Alan Moore told me something. It takes something big for you to call forth Tatsuya Ishida.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Li'l E" and "Lily" are for all intent and purpose entirely different people. Seriously, Slick and Devil Slick have more in common than they do.

No matter how big a jerk Li'l E was, that doesn't mean he deserved to be in effect erased from existence. But now neither does Lily.

So which has the greater "right" to exist?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried finding it in the archives, and I failed.

Ronald wrote:
"Li'l E" and "Lily" are for all intent and purpose entirely different people. Seriously, Slick and Devil Slick have more in common than they do.

No matter how big a jerk Li'l E was, that doesn't mean he deserved to be in effect erased from existence. But now neither does Lily.

So which has the greater "right" to exist?


I don't think they're diffrent enough to be considered characters. The new Li'l E is probably happier, and making the world a better place.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miss Magenta wrote:
Leohan wrote:
He's a small child,


He's old enough to have his own house with absolutely no parental supervision, and old enough to get a job. He's also the same height as Crim in the reality zone, who is presumably an adult. So he - Li'l E - is either a teenager or an adult himself.


That's all true of Li'l E, yes. But how do we know it's true for "Lily"? We've never seen him walk into the Reality Zone, have we?

Maybe the Lethe water erased a set number of years' worth of memories and "Lily" is Li'l E's younger self. That might explain why he can nevertheless remember instances from Li'l E's childhood (i.e. the birthday cake incident and such).
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