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Monkey Mcdermott



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well i'm working on a recipe for venison tenderloin with a marionberry/port/sweet onion compote on the side but i'm having trouble getting the taste in the compote right to not overwhelm the venison but still kind of counteract the gaminess a little.

The mediterranean restaurant that shared space with the bakery i worked at had some sort of pork tenderloin roast that was rubbed with citrus, and roasted with the citrus halves sitting on top of it.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That venison's going to be a challenge; have you tried marinating medallions of the loin in the port to help play down the game flavor? (Myself, I actually like that gamey taste, but I know it's not everyone's favorite.)

I'll have to try that pork roast and citrus idea; it sounds intriguing. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samsally wrote:
stripeypants wrote:
Finnegan wrote:
is a hotdog considered a sandwich?


My brief search of the internet says some people think yes or no, but most have no idea wtf it is. I think it's more like a cross between a sandwich and a pastie.

I assume pastie means something different to you than what it means to me. Otherwise I really wonder what kind of barbeques you go to.


A pastie (or pasty, apparently.) is like a piroshky.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasty
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An ex-mormon I used to know had some bizarre but tasty recipes in her arsenal. One of them was an orange jello and cheddar salad thing. I was dubious, which is saying something because I eat bizarre foods all the time. But it ws actually really, really good. I don't know why it was good, but it was.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bitflipper wrote:
That might work, or, if you wish to avoid adding the cheese-y flavor, try using an emulsifier and thickener like corn starch; one should be able to get the yogurt to a thick, custard-like consistency without significantly changing the flavor, that way.

Have you actually done this before? Does heating yoghurt do anything bad or weird to it? I have never used cornflour to thicken anything other than a gravy or stew, but now that the concept of yoghurt pie has entered my consciousness, it must at some point become actual.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the yogurt pie i made was never heated in any way; the recipe called for it to be chilled in the fridge. so i don't know what happens to yogurt if you heat it up.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see Delkando is quite innocuously concern trolling something that comes up that can allow him to police das feminists. And SURPRISE OF SURPRISES, he showed how interested he really is in legitimate feminist interests when he decided thread was now about calling someone a lil' bitch.

So please keep in mind that absolutely nothing I am about to say here is in any way any show of solidarity with Delkando and his ilk, but: ...



Let's not mince words: no matter the intention or internal reasoning, Adria Richards did a stupid, mean, and wrong thing, but more important is what led her to her overreaction: she's part of a culture which incentivizes really bad habits which delegitimize important causes and good ends and good lord does she need to be called out on that shit, even if not everyone is going to be doing it fairly, or with the best of intentions.

To quote one of my partners:

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She was completely in the wrong and championing a kind of benevolent sexism that says women are too precious and delicate for our ears to hear the bad mans saying icky swear words. I should note -- and this is a pretty important point -- that the jokes weren't directed at her, weren't sexualising or objectifying women or the space, and as far as I've been able to glean was fairly innocent potty humour between two friends.

She didn't even bother saying to their faces "hey, that's not cool". Instead she barfed whimpers for help for the damsel in distress all over Twitter.

Was the humour childish? Yeah. Did the guy deserve to get fired over it? Absolutely fucking not. I make jokes like that at work. (Someday I'll tell you about the time I had to test a stream with porn because that's what the customer was using.) The guy has 3 kids.

I would be really annoyed if my male coworkers started walking on eggshells around me because of my gender, or because they feared retribution because my gender is too fragile for the occasional dick joke. I like to think that having a vagina doesn't prohibit me from saying "hey, that isn't okay". A lot of making spaces safe consists of redefining masculinity (right now it's essentially "not femininity", which has wide-ranging implications for why femininity is seen as inferior and often forcing men into a role they don't necessarily want to be in), but I digress.

In that environment, nothing was barring her from turning around and saying "hey, guys, could you save that for after the talks, it's making me uncomfortable". Considering the dudes were there representing their companies, if either of them had an ounce of sense they'd have immediately apologised. If they hadn't, she'd have been totally justified escalating it, but in this case, she jumped the gun.

Her blog post about it is pretty atrocious.


Now, I think she didn't really just "barf whimpers for help" on twitter. No, she has tragically gotten caught up in a culture that rewards what is effectively concerted performance art, incentivized by a pathological shame culture. It rewards working to find and capture targets for social justice communities, because it gets you cred and "signal boosting" in the social networks they utilize. Her overreaction for the benefit of the mark-for-shame response was the expected output of a culture of shame cred and crusader cred, because doing this nets you attention, followers, and standing. Social Justice points, I guess. I should know, I garnered quite a few once upon a time. Shit like this has been expanding so rapidly that it has caused many of these social justice communities to practically implode in (and note the extreme irony of a gendered word describing the concept) conformist witchhunts and the increased alienation of otherwise perfectly moral allies. In addition, when she talked up her decision to do these things (and yes, she sure talked the fuck up out of them — used pseudopsychology to say that the men were being disrespectful because of deindividualization and that she would stand up against it and framed it as "the future of programming" was on the line in her decision to speak up) and responded to criticism about her crusade with textbook responses about how people were just trying to paint over her experience or 'gaslight' her, it all comes down to SJ culture and the various rights-apportioning and justifications issues that it has folded over in layers for itself. It is astounding to watch.

There are so many reasons why it's not good, most important being what it does to progressive social change when circles devoted to it demand non-relational activism and locks movement power up in increasingly stratified and openly hostile elements.

But okay. I'd rather talk about that later. Right now, it's just that Richards was a tool. In the same conference where she smiled at those two men and snapped that picture over about the most innocuous humor possible, she was also playing Cards Against Humanity. A game which makes far worse than any dongle humor those two guys were sharing amongst themselves. If she was participating in it, couldn't she have definitely understood the extent to which it is ridiculously hypocritical to target those two other people for untargeted forked/dongle comments then herself publicly participate in a game where you can literally play "date rape" to win points and was pretty much engaging in salacious humor herself? Shouldn't she have taken a picture of herself and posted it as NOT COOL OMG SIGNAL BOOST, or whatever?

The larger issue is, of course, fucked to all hell by all the crazy creepy shit that women continue to have to face at all sorts of tech events and conferences and jobs. She will doubtlessly receive a goddamned torrential outpouring of the creepiest shit you could possibly imagine in retribution for being some uppity woman what got some men fired. She was working and advocating towards change in an industry culture which is unbelievably (as in, more so than usual) shitty for women. Most people will be attacking Richards because her mistake has become, by proxy, something they can use as a convenient validation of their shitty beliefs (see: Original Poster). But none of that changes that what she did was inappropriate false light defamation, and her blog post on the matter really illuminates the extraordinary hypersensitive self-serving grandiosity she applied to her decision to target those two dudes.

In conclusion, the doritos tacos are pretty fucking good.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why I figured cream cheese would be the way to go... you would have to heat the cheese up somewhat to get it to stir in, but hopefully not enough to wreck the yogurt.

Pure speculation on my part, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This yoghurt cheesecake recipe calls for cooking. I haven't made it - only because my partner and roommate are dodgy about it and for some reason I can't manage to justify eating a whole cheesecake.

http://eat-your-heart-out.net/2012/04/04/lemony-greek-yogurt-cheesecake/
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you just freeze the yogurt pie?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sojobo wrote:
bitflipper wrote:
That might work, or, if you wish to avoid adding the cheese-y flavor, try using an emulsifier and thickener like corn starch; one should be able to get the yogurt to a thick, custard-like consistency without significantly changing the flavor, that way.

Have you actually done this before? Does heating yoghurt do anything bad or weird to it? I have never used cornflour to thicken anything other than a gravy or stew, but now that the concept of yoghurt pie has entered my consciousness, it must at some point become actual.

Heating the yogurt directly will change its flavor, but a lot of Greek, Southeast Asian, and Indian cuisine actually is cooked with yogurt; it's not bad.

To preserve the flavor of the yogurt, though, I would blend the cornstarch with near-boiling water in a 1:1 ratio by volume, then whisk it into the chilled yogurt, pour into the pie crust, and allow it to set up in the refrigerator. I'd have to do some experimenting to know what ratio of cornstarch mixture to yogurt would be best, but I'd probably start at 1:10 and gradually increase the amount of the cornstarch mix each attempt until getting the consistency I'm hoping for.

Las has a great idea, too: a frogurt pie!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calling from memory, a good attempt might be folding the strawberry yogurt in with cream cheese, add some condensed milk, and a bit of lemon juice, pour the mixture into a pie crust and put it in the fridge to set.

For anyone interested, the cream cheese pie recipe that can be essentially turned into any kind of pie with the addition of fruit/flavourings:

1 (8 oz.) package cream cheese, softened
1 (14 oz.) can Eagle Brand® Sweetened Condensed Milk
1/3 cup lemon juice
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
1 (8 or 9-inch) prepared graham cracker or baked pie crust

Beat cream cheese till fluffy, beat in the condensed milk, stir in the vanilla and lemon juice, pour into crust, let it sit in the fridge for at least 4 hours.

My go-to recipe if I feel like cheesecake or key-lime pie and don't want to buy a ton of ingredients and spend a long time in the kitchen. Only downside is the 4 hour wait Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could also buy a premade crust and cheesecake filling.

Or buy a tub of the premade and a spoon.
http://www.kraftbrands.com/philly/products/Pages/philadelphia-ready-to-eat-cheesecake-filling.aspx
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, Sam; I wish you'd posted that before we derailed this into tasty recipes! Now it looks like there's something thought-provoking to discuss, here, after all. I'll start a new topic for it, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stripeypants wrote:
You could also buy a premade crust and cheesecake filling.

Or buy a tub of the premade and a spoon.
http://www.kraftbrands.com/philly/products/Pages/philadelphia-ready-to-eat-cheesecake-filling.aspx




God I really didn't need something else to make me gain weight.
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