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2013-04-14 Meanwhile, in the bomf district...
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pun



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

theres a bit of an issue im having with the comic
are these women participating in these activities of their own free will?
are they faced with desperate conditions that make this their only option?
are they slaves?
each of these circumstances require a different tactic of intervention. an inappropriate approach could mark the difference between body slamming the patriarchy and policing the bodies of women.
also, its great to see a break away from white feminism. intersectionality matters.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off, I do love it when Curly takes action.

Second, I got off my lazy ass to make you guys the new bingo. I hope it pleases!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pun wrote:
theres a bit of an issue im having with the comic
are these women participating in these activities of their own free will?
are they faced with desperate conditions that make this their only option?
are they slaves?
each of these circumstances require a different tactic of intervention. an inappropriate approach could mark the difference between body slamming the patriarchy and policing the bodies of women.
also, its great to see a break away from white feminism. intersectionality matters.


I think that's the biggest problem - we don't know unless they tell us or we do research. I think Curly's goal is twofold: to stop people watching porn which skewes how people think sex is supposed to be like and maybe to give those who entered the profession out of little or no choice a breather.

But I do suspect it's more reason 1.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the way that every time porn is brought up we get to start the same arguments over and over again.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usagi Miyamoto wrote:
I liked the "male gaze" reflected in the shades on anti-Slick. Nice touch.


I thought those were his actual eyes.

I was previously under the general impression that the residents of the digital world were, you know, digital, AIs created for no other reason than to exist on someone's website, that they in and of themselves were "porn" (not that that in itself would make it "okay" to exploit them, but not my point right now). The implication that they're "real" (in the context of the Sinfestiverse) only makes what's already one of my least favorite recurring themes even more confusing. Oh well. So it goes.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:
pun wrote:
theres a bit of an issue im having with the comic
are these women participating in these activities of their own free will?
are they faced with desperate conditions that make this their only option?
are they slaves?
each of these circumstances require a different tactic of intervention. an inappropriate approach could mark the difference between body slamming the patriarchy and policing the bodies of women.
also, its great to see a break away from white feminism. intersectionality matters.


I think that's the biggest problem - we don't know unless they tell us or we do research. I think Curly's goal is twofold: to stop people watching porn which skewes how people think sex is supposed to be like and maybe to give those who entered the profession out of little or no choice a breather.

But I do suspect it's more reason 1.


yeah metaphors make it a bit difficult to judge. the price tags and racist "selling points" these women are given would make it seem as though they are forced into this lifestyle.
however, if that is simply a metaphor for things like the cost of subscriptions and video titles (and if this were real life), i would have to wonder about the outcome of currlys actions (as well intentioned as they are). there may not be many sources of income for devil women.
porn can cast unfortunate delusions, but i would have to put poverty higher on the not-good scale.
idk shit gets complicated. \o/


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronald wrote:
Usagi Miyamoto wrote:
I liked the "male gaze" reflected in the shades on anti-Slick. Nice touch.


I thought those were his actual eyes.

I was previously under the general impression that the residents of the digital world were, you know, digital, AIs created for no other reason than to exist on someone's website, that they in and of themselves were "porn" (not that that in itself would make it "okay" to exploit them, but not my point right now). The implication that they're "real" (in the context of the Sinfestiverse) only makes what's already one of my least favorite recurring themes even more confusing. Oh well. So it goes.

Well, Harle/Lime/Fern did mention the Bomf District as a possible place a devil girl might work, and most of them are "real" as opposed to digital.
EDIT: Well, all the ones we've been introduced to. I suppose, based on that that the devil girls in the Bomf District are just otherwise ordinary ones who got assigned there.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
I love the way that every time porn is brought up we get to start the same arguments over and over again.


Because its PORN, we've had it ever since the first caveman drew a stick figure on the wall with curvaceous proportions. Porn has been available since art was created, we've just got way too good at making it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pun wrote:
yeah metaphors make it a bit difficult to judge. the price tags and racist "selling points" these women are given would make it seem as though they are forced into this lifestyle.


there's also the fact that devil girls are not really given an option regarding status as a devil girl. d-man pretty much just bomfs normal girls when he wants and they don't really have a say in the matter, then they have to adjust to life as a devil person in any way they can - and we know for a fact that the society within sinfest's universe discriminates against devil people, and so getting decidedly normal jobs isn't exactly easy for them. so it's more likely than not that they can't really get jobs anywhere else but ... you know, the hell hole... bomf district... with the devil himself...

Cactuar wrote:
Ronald wrote:
I was previously under the general impression that the residents of the digital world were, you know, digital, AIs created for no other reason than to exist on someone's website, .

Well, Harle/Lime/Fern did mention the Bomf District as a possible place a devil girl might work, and most of them are "real" as opposed to digital.


There's also the fact that there's not really any reason to believe that they're anything but real girls. I mean, there's not really anything to suggest that they're just illustrations within sinfest's universe, and if they were at all robotic in any way shape or form they'd probably resemble fembot way more than they actually do. Harlimequin's commentary on the matter does, in fact, suggest that it's an actual job that actual real people have to preform. Similar to the way that actual real people work in the porn industry.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So basically the message here is that it's perfectly justifiable to outright interfere with other people's rights to view what they want (so long as it's legal) just because you disagree with it?

I'm all for discourse about controversial subjects. It gets you to actually THINK about it.

The moment you start trying to FORCE your beliefs on others, whether through violence or other coercive methods (such as DDoS attacks against websites you disagree with) you've crossed the line.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come oooooooon, can't someone react inflammatorily so we can have a nice, forum-fight? No?...not even for bingo-reasons? (*sigh*)

Regardless of whether you agree with her actions, or not, Curly is definately badass.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I somewhat wish these Sunday strips actually progressed the character plots just like in the old times. As badass as these can be, it still doesn't actually make a difference...
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lol



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ambaryerno wrote:
So basically the message here is that it's perfectly justifiable to outright interfere with other people's rights to view what they want (so long as it's legal) just because you disagree with it?

I'm all for discourse about controversial subjects. It gets you to actually THINK about it.

The moment you start trying to FORCE your beliefs on others, whether through violence or other coercive methods (such as DDoS attacks against websites you disagree with) you've crossed the line.

Actually, since Dman seems to bomf whoever the fuck he wants, this is an act of championing the oppressed.

She wasn't just attacking any random ol' porn site. The devil girls, who had little choice in the matter, were the ones violated here. Not some dude who can go to a billion other places to get off.

This gets the reader thinking about the fetishization of racial stereotypes too.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol wrote:
Ambaryerno wrote:
So basically the message here is that it's perfectly justifiable to outright interfere with other people's rights to view what they want (so long as it's legal) just because you disagree with it?

I'm all for discourse about controversial subjects. It gets you to actually THINK about it.

The moment you start trying to FORCE your beliefs on others, whether through violence or other coercive methods (such as DDoS attacks against websites you disagree with) you've crossed the line.

Actually, since Dman seems to bomf whoever the fuck he wants, this is an act of championing the oppressed. The devil girls had little choice in the matter.

She wasn't just attacking any random ol' porn site. This is also getting the reader think about the fetishization of racial stereotypes.


Or where these devil girls born this way? Don't forget that Lily IS the Devils son, thus meaning that Devil people can be born as well as bomfed. Just because he has the power to convert doesn't mean that all of them are converted.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if they were, Magenta has already highlighted how Sinfest society treats Devilgirls. The ones born that way, if that happens, are still likely given little choice in life...

...which leads back to what I said just before.


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