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Miss Magenta
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| Rothide wrote: | | Or where these devil girls born this way? Don't forget that Lily IS the Devils son, thus meaning that Devil people can be born as well as bomfed. Just because he has the power to convert doesn't mean that all of them are converted. |
Li'l E is the son of not just any devil person, but D-man himself. The Devil. Satan. Lucifer himself. It's not clear just how different devil girls are from him, if at all. It's not clear if bomfing a girl into a devil girl doesn't change her biology enough that she still processes the ability to bear children. We only know that D-man has the ability to impregnate human women. That's it. And even then, the difference between devil people and Li'l E has been drawn and made clear since before he was even revealed to be related to the devil. He doesn't really fit in with devil people and he doesn't really fit in with humans. That's what has been made clear about him for a very long time.
I've always been under the impression that devil girls would be infertile if D-man feels that they should be, since if he can change their biological form so that they have horns, tail, and elemental abilities, he could remove the need for females have to menstruate - if a female cannot menstruate, she probably cannot reproduce, either. And if they were infertile, that means that they'd be able to perform their... assigned duties for much longer. No pregnancy, no break. And Blue has implied twice that devil girls are immortal so they don't really need to reproduce at all. So I've always seen them as kind of infertile. Still do. But that's just me.
Even if devil girls can reproduce, and they had children, they would still be raised in a society that has a heavy stigma against devil people and thus results in their discrimination. So they would not have much career choices, and thus if they want to maintain a living they would still be forced to find employment in places they might not want to work at. So far, the only place that seems open for devil person employment is Nana's bakery/coffeeshop. And even then, Fuchsia wasn't actually interested in the job and never applied. Or at least didn't believe she'd really be able to get the job. One of those two factors kept her from getting the job, and the latter bodes ill for any other devil person that seeks employment outside of D-man's immediate grasp.
And again, regardless of whether or not devil girls are capable of reproduction - it doesn't change the fact that D-man bomfs men, women and children quite frequently! He is forcibly mutating their forms against their will and leaving them in a society that discriminates against what they've been forcibly transformed into and left to their own devices and have to find methods of coping, surviving, ect, on their own! Those men, women, and children are not really given much of a choice about it! And that will lead them into a line of employment they might not even want to enter in order to survive! It's not that difficult to comprehend! 0_0
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Darqcyde
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Arkhron
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Miss Magenta, everytime I see you talking with that security about things that the rest of us would say as hypothesis, I feel like you have a special conection with Mr. Tatsuya.
Are you his muse or something?
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She's a saint, with direct connection to the creator.
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She is Tat.
*does plot twist dance* |
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Darqcyde
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One sticking point though: While Lil'E's mom is definitely female, I don't think she's necessarily human, kinda like how Big D himself isn't human either, or at least not fully. I've always thought she's at least a demi-god or another fallen angel.
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Rune
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| Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| Miss Magenta wrote: | | there's also the fact that devil girls are not really given an option regarding status as a devil girl. d-man pretty much just bomfs normal girls when he wants and they don't really have a say in the matter, then they have to adjust to life as a devil person in any way they can - and we know for a fact that the society within sinfest's universe discriminates against devil people, and so getting decidedly normal jobs isn't exactly easy for them. so it's more likely than not that they can't really get jobs anywhere else but ... you know, the hell hole... bomf district... with the devil himself... |
There's a pretty strong social commentary right there, along with the rest of the 'othering' ideas wrapped up in this. Something that ties into a virgin/whore complex that divides women into different 'types.' You know, that 'type' of woman, who's only good for whorin'. Who's only good for one thing, who's made for it, who can't actually be raped or abused because that's what she was made for. Who's not the 'respectable' type, so you don't have to feel bad about disrespecting her. Or bomf'ing, or using. Goes hand in hand with lines about how women 'ask for it,' usually tied up with some rationalization that jumps to conclusions about their life choices and their character that shouldn't actually matter anyway, and are usually reprehensibly sexist in and of themselves.
Or, you know, the assumption that they're not real women. Whore, slut, digital, whatever you need to assume so you don't have to think of them as human beings, so you can keep thinking of them in terms of sexual purpose.
Dun-dun-dunnnnnnnnn~ |
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Rune
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| Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| Darqcyde wrote: | | One sticking point though: While Lil'E's mom is definitely female, I don't think she's necessarily human, kinda like how Big D himself isn't human either, or at least not fully. I've always thought she's at least a demi-god or another fallen angel. |
It was very strongly suggested that she is a witch, whatever that actually means in the Sinfest 'verse, but definitely tying in with the old folklore that witches did the horizontal tango with the devil. But it was also strongly implied that she had some powerful mojo going on. Whether that came from her association with the D or was something intrinsic to her, I dunno. I'd love it if Tat ended up subverting the myth he alluded to, and the power was always hers to begin with. |
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tricksterson
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| Skittles wrote: | | Ok, before the usual begins let us all agree that dem ladies be fine. |
You just had to, didn't you?
Phox: he's also heavily into Avarice/Greed
Rothide: The first possible example of cave porn are various crude stick figures on cave walls with an eract penis. Or is that graffiti? Both? Also there's an actual academic theory that that was the purpose of the "Venus" statuettes.
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| Ambaryerno wrote: | So basically the message here is that it's perfectly justifiable to outright interfere with other people's rights to view what they want (so long as it's legal) just because you disagree with it?
I'm all for discourse about controversial subjects. It gets you to actually THINK about it.
The moment you start trying to FORCE your beliefs on others, whether through violence or other coercive methods (such as DDoS attacks against websites you disagree with) you've crossed the line. |
My point exactly.
It's okay to fuck with someone you don't like.
Next thing we'll see death threats against slick by these vigilantes - we already do see them in RL.
but...BUT, it's ok, because the "cause" is good, the means are justified.
Godwin's law is calling... |
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tricksterson
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Double post, apologies.
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Rune
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| crayven wrote: | | Ambaryerno wrote: | So basically the message here is that it's perfectly justifiable to outright interfere with other people's rights to view what they want (so long as it's legal) just because you disagree with it?
I'm all for discourse about controversial subjects. It gets you to actually THINK about it.
The moment you start trying to FORCE your beliefs on others, whether through violence or other coercive methods (such as DDoS attacks against websites you disagree with) you've crossed the line. |
My point exactly.
It's okay to fuck with someone you don't like.
Next thing we'll see death threats against slick by these vigilantes - we already do see them in RL.
but...BUT, it's ok, because the "cause" is good, the means are justified.
Godwin's law is calling... |
Or you could, y'know, just look at the metaphor of a black protagonist cutting off a white consumer's perspective of exoticized women of color.
And give her some credit because, even though she had a chainsaw strong enough to eat through steel beams, when the mook came at her with a friggin' axe, she still just hit him with the non-lethal pepper-spray. |
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Arkhron
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| crayven wrote: | .
but...BUT, it's ok, because the "cause" is good, the means are justified.
Godwin's law is calling... |
Cmonnnn... Cmon crayven! say the full name, poppa needs new shoes!!
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Miss Magenta
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| Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| Rune wrote: | Or you could, y'know, just look at the metaphor of a black protagonist cutting off a white consumer's perspective of exoticized women of color.
And give her some credit because, even though she had a chainsaw strong enough to eat through steel beams, when the mook came at her with a friggin' axe, she still just hit him with the non-lethal pepper-spray. |
<3 everything about this response is just <3 <3 <3 <3
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| Rune wrote: | | Darqcyde wrote: | | One sticking point though: While Lil'E's mom is definitely female, I don't think she's necessarily human, kinda like how Big D himself isn't human either, or at least not fully. I've always thought she's at least a demi-god or another fallen angel. |
It was very strongly suggested that she is a witch, whatever that actually means in the Sinfest 'verse, but definitely tying in with the old folklore that witches did the horizontal tango with the devil. But it was also strongly implied that she had some powerful mojo going on. Whether that came from her association with the D or was something intrinsic to her, I dunno. I'd love it if Tat ended up subverting the myth he alluded to, and the power was always hers to begin with. |
I got the impression she was a nature spirit, or nature goddess, or some sort of embodiment of nature. The common folk in their ignorance labeled her as a witch (as common folk are wont to do) because they didn't understand her power.
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