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Finnegan · Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 12:40 am Post subject:

I don't really feel qualified to comment as I'm not a comic book reader (any knowledge I have comes from animated tv shows), but as this is the internet I have an opinion to share anyway. I have no idea how things were before or how they are changing but I have two comments based on what I've read here. First of all I find the idea of a superhero that promotes peace and nonviolence in all but the most extreme circumstances a very appealing, admirable, commendable concept (which is why I'm a fan of dove from hawk & dove). Secondly, as she is an amazon it really seems truer to the greek mythology that inspired her character for her to be a warrior; but a strong, independent, capable (though not necessarily man-hating, I don't know the amazon mythology well enough to know if that is a part of it) woman.

also, they should maybe allow her to wear a little more clothing. I don't know how women comic book readers feel about this but to me some of the female character's outfits always seemed unnecessarily skimpy.
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Hahahaha oh god the 90's. I don't remember when this was made but I'm pretty sure it was first wave horrible dark and gritty:

I forget who the writer is, but one of my exes LURVED his stuff. Because... it was dark and gritty. (PS for some reference here the kid is one of the Robins (Dick, probably) and they are driving away from the event in which he watched his parents die. I think in a circus fire. LOOK ITS BEEN A WHILE.) Not only is Batman being a problematic douchenozzle in regards to ableism, he's also verbally abusing a child who just watched his parents die horribly. WAY TO GO DC.

But anyway back to the point, Wonder Woman: Finn I totally agree with your descriptions and that's basically what she was pre-reboot. She was a powerful warrior who valued peace a whole lot. Being both is what made her so cool.

Part of what really ticks me off with the reboot is that they turned peace-loving Amazons into a lot of straw feminists and then I think killed them all.

((I could be wrong about ANY of this but I'm pretty sure I'm right. Digging up some old knowledge here though.)
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Thy Brilliance · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 3440 Location: Relative

You may not need violence to be strong, but you do need conflict for personal growth.

Intimidation techniques are just as terrorizing if not more than violence itself.

TIAB · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 662

If they really wanted her to be an accurate Amazon, she'd need a mastectomy. Calling this move more accurate is a specious claim and only works if people's understanding of Greco-Roman history/mythology is limited to Xena: Warrior Princess. They picked out elements that are more aggressive and "edgier" because fuck you that's why.

Complete aside: fritter, Spidey is Marvel, not DC. Marvel has had their fair of idiocy in the past but they seem to be at a fairly high point with sense right now.

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stripeypants · Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 3:17 am Post subject:

Samsally · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 6072

Oh well, I agree 100% 'dark and gritty' is a pretty horrible move for all the formerly-peace loving heroes, especially when they keep doing it sooooo poorly. I mean it's not like we don't have a ton of heroes and anti-heroes that can fill in the ultra-violent roles, we really don't need to start converting them.
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WheelsOfConfusion · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 11873 Location: Unknown Kaddath

Wonder Woman's 1980s reboot would be a great place to start. You can usually find the trade in a library. The first few issues really set her apart from a lot of typical superheroes.

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Thy Brilliance · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 3440 Location: Relative

Ahhhhh the 80s, what a fun time.

Sure wish I could find this old comic somewhere.

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Bruce Timm was the person primarily responsible for DC's animated work from Batman: TAS up until New Justice. He and his team fleshed out a lot of characters in ways that hadn't been done before and for many reasons his work has been considered the definitive story of Batman and related characters. Heck, Mr. Freeze didn't even really have a backstory before that and they created something rather meaningful and sympathetic for his out of thin air, not to mention the creation of Harley Quinn. The entire world that was built was full of characters that had justified reasons for their behavior, a distorted villain desperately trying to become normal again/save their loved one/etc. that having anyone, even a villain act in a completely aggressive and mindless manner is rare. There is a damn good reason why people think of the animated universe first and if you go from that to picking up a New 52 book, you have every reason to be disappointed.

Finnegan · Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 12:33 pm Post subject: