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Zhuinden
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 Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:12 pm Post subject: What is transgender? |
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Yes, I've checked Wikipedia before on this subject. No, I'm still somewhat confused about it.
What exactly is transgender? Summarized, Wikipedia said it's that someone doesn't feel like they fit in with their "gender role", and are thus not "cisgender".
The reason why I'm confused is because I think whether you have a male body or a female body is honestly quite obvious based on your type of genitalia (unless you have a medical condition in which you are both or neither of the biological sexes), and if your body is a given, then there's no question about any of this.
After that, it's whether you agree to the "gender roles" society wants to shoehorn onto you or not - and I think it's a simpler question than that you'd need to make a flag for it. It's a "YES" or "NO" question. Do I agree with this, or do I find it obnoxiously dumbfounded, nonsensical and realize that none of it makes any sort of sense, and is just a stupid tradition from centuries ago?
I disapprove of the concept of gender roles in general, and I reject the parts of the male gender role that I do not like. However, I don't consider myself a "transgendered" person, because I think the very concept of whether you are "more in line with male gender roles or female gender roles" is a thought construct that has no meaning. I am who I am, gender does not define me.
And thus, I don't get transgenderism. Can anyone elaborate on what this is about? |
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aboutwhistles
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| It's not just about gender roles, it's about bodies. |
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aboutwhistles
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| Currently trying to find a trans* person's blog for you to read |
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aboutwhistles
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Ennis
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aboutwhistles
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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There good someone came by with more blogs than me
Voila, the banquet of self-education laid out before you! |
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Night Spade
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Person with a trans history: this term is increasingly used in surveys of the trans community, and refers to people who transitioned and no longer view themselves as trans. - You Know You're Trans* When... Website |
I can relate to the term above as I pretty much gave up on ever becoming female when puberty hit and it was obvious that even if I were to change genders, I would still look too much like a male transvestite...
...if only I looked more naturally androgynous or even feminine, my life would be pretty different.
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Ennis
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Night Spade wrote: | | Quote: |
Person with a trans history: this term is increasingly used in surveys of the trans community, and refers to people who transitioned and no longer view themselves as trans. - You Know You're Trans* When... Website |
I can relate to the term above as I pretty much gave up on ever becoming female when puberty hit and it was obvious that even if I were to change genders, I would still look too much like a male transvestite...
...if only I looked more naturally androgynous or even feminine, my life would be pretty different. |
Uh, that's not really what it's referring to. It's referring to people who have taken hormones/had the surgeries and now no longer consider themselves trans, just as a normal woman/man with a medical condition that was fixed.
And I think there's too much emphasis on "passing". If being a woman would make you happier, and that's what you want to do, then it doesn't matter what other people think. You could always start off with small things to make yourself more comfortable, like some electro, growing your hair out, etc. Even if you don't go "all the way" (stupid term) why not make yourself more comfortable in your own body? |
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stripeypants
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I am so tired of people who say, "I don't agree with gender roles" and then go on to say they don't get or don't like transness.
If you don't like gender roles, then don't go on about how trans people are doing it wrong. Go off on everyone who isn't trans.
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Ennis
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Istancow
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| aboutwhistles and Ennis collectively wrote: | | ALL THE LINKS! |
My word. I have an awful lot of reading to do.
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stripeypants
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Yeah, you'll be here awhile. Also check out
[url]transgriot.blogspot.com[/url]
She'll provide you with some history and a POC trans women point of view. Plus she does a 'shut up fool' award for politicians and celebrities.
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Heretical Rants
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I wish people would stop making threads for this stuff in the comic subforum when there are already perfectly good and active and well-established threads in the general subforum.
but while we're dropping links, I'm a fan of Zinnia Jones
she makes some pretty good posts about trans* issues
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Ennis
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Heretical Rants wrote: | I wish people would stop making threads for this stuff in the comic subforum when there are already perfectly good and active and well-established threads in the general subforum.
but while we're dropping links, I'm a fan of Zinnia Jones
she makes some pretty good posts about trans* issues |
I am friends with Zinnia Jones on facebook 
And this is her tumblr if you want to see tits and butt-shaking gifs http://zjemptv.tumblr.com
And other things. Not just tits and butt-shaking gifs. |
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