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2013-06-20 WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THESE...
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Zhuinden



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ennis wrote:
Dogen wrote:
Mikewee777 wrote:
There's nothing wrong with romantic content when the lady is loyal. I've seen the Scott Pilgrim, the Notebook, the titanic and the twilight and it's the heroine's lack of loyalty that upsets me. How can they expect me to cheer on the male or female hero when they are lying, cheating hypocrites? That shit pisses me off. I don't care if you were trying to save the day. Keep your whore-mouth off of a filthy Jack Sparrow!

As for erotic content, I feel really awkward in front of friends and family because everyone's fetish is horrifyingly different. Especially if they whip it out in front of me and start stroking it to the show. In my opinion: Slick and Squig are officially faggots for their willingness to watch porn with each other. I have lost all respect for them.

What the fucking fuck? Naked Jesus on a pegasus, what the fuck?

That was... unexpected.
Also I don't know anything about the other two, but I'm fairly certain that Scott is far more of an unrepentant dick in the movie. He cheated on Knives with Ramona because he didn't want to have to go through the "difficulty" of breaking up with her. Whereas Ramona was literally brainwashed with a chip attached to her neck so she would return to Gideon. So Scott is far more of a "lying, cheating hypocrite" than the heroine (Ramona or Knives, really).


In Twilight on the other hand, the 'heroine' cannot decide whether to screw her eternal love vampire or the wolf kid she met a few days ago, because she has a crush on both, and ends up emotionally abusing both of them. Yaaay!
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Miss Magenta



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

didnt bella meet jacob in the first book, which took place over the span of somewhere between a few weeks to a few months or so? so she didnt know him for just a few days. and she didnt have a crush on him at all until the second book, and only after not only had jacob befriended her but also after edward kind of abandoned her in a forest.

nevermind the fact that edward was kind of emotionally abusive too, and before the love triangle was even introduced.
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: 2013-06-20 WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THESE... Reply with quote

Wait, I sit corrected, they've been seen on one side of the panel about as often as they've been seen on the other.


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=203


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=351


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=435


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=545


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=855


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1015


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1016
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: 2013-06-20 WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THESE... Reply with quote

I can't really think of a way that the following strip ties in with the (for this thread) current strip, but the latter reminded me of the former, so I'm posting it anyway. Smile


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1861

That's another thing I miss, Slick chatting with God. Almost always entertaining. Oh well.
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Heretical Rants



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay, so that ... that is really off-putting even for a Mikewee post
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zhuinden wrote:
In Twilight on the other hand, the 'heroine' cannot decide whether to screw her eternal love vampire or the wolf kid she met a few days ago, because she has a crush on both, and ends up emotionally abusing both of them. Yaaay!

And, in addition to what MM said, he frequently infantilizes Bella by ignoring her wishes and throwing her over his shoulder when she doesn't do what he wants, he tosses her through a glass table, when they fight he breaks things, he drives recklessly when she's in the car (because he's more or less immortal... but she isn't), he isolates her from her friends and family multiple times (disabling her car and forbidding her to meet with her father)... here's io9 with a look at how Edward and Bella rate on the National Domestic Violence Hotline checklist.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heretical Rants wrote:
okay, so that ... that is really off-putting even for a Mikewee post

I know, right? He can keep that kind of crazy to himself, or bury it under layer upon layer of psychotropics.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogen wrote:
Zhuinden wrote:
In Twilight on the other hand, the 'heroine' cannot decide whether to screw her eternal love vampire or the wolf kid she met a few days ago, because she has a crush on both, and ends up emotionally abusing both of them. Yaaay!

And, in addition to what MM said, he frequently infantilizes Bella by ignoring her wishes and throwing her over his shoulder when she doesn't do what he wants, he tosses her through a glass table, when they fight he breaks things, he drives recklessly when she's in the car (because he's more or less immortal... but she isn't), he isolates her from her friends and family multiple times (disabling her car and forbidding her to meet with her father)... here's io9 with a look at how Edward and Bella rate on the National Domestic Violence Hotline checklist.

in the book, the werewolf forced bella to kiss him and put the responsibility for it on her afterwards
theres a reason why theyre called monsters
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, but is there a good reason to romanticize abuse? Because "fictitious monsters act that way" seems like a flimsy reason, being that they're fictitious and will act however the author wants them to act.

I harp on Twilight because it's the one I know best (I don't read a lot of fiction anymore Sad ), but there are relationships in other works (Wheel of Time, for the love of naked Jesus) that are just as messed up.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogen wrote:
Okay, but is there a good reason to romanticize abuse? Because "fictitious monsters act that way" seems like a flimsy reason, being that they're fictitious and will act however the author wants them to act.

I harp on Twilight because it's the one I know best (I don't read a lot of fiction anymore Sad ), but there are relationships in other works (Wheel of Time, for the love of naked Jesus) that are just as messed up.

nonono what I meant was that they are monsterous in character
it was intended as an agreement and a play on words
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ennis wrote:
Dogen wrote:
Mikewee777 wrote:
There's nothing wrong with romantic content when the lady is loyal. I've seen the Scott Pilgrim, the Notebook, the titanic and the twilight and it's the heroine's lack of loyalty that upsets me. How can they expect me to cheer on the male or female hero when they are lying, cheating hypocrites? That shit pisses me off. I don't care if you were trying to save the day. Keep your whore-mouth off of a filthy Jack Sparrow!

As for erotic content, I feel really awkward in front of friends and family because everyone's fetish is horrifyingly different. Especially if they whip it out in front of me and start stroking it to the show. In my opinion: Slick and Squig are officially faggots for their willingness to watch porn with each other. I have lost all respect for them.

What the fucking fuck? Naked Jesus on a pegasus, what the fuck?

That was... unexpected.
Also I don't know anything about the other two, but I'm fairly certain that Scott is far more of an unrepentant dick in the movie. He cheated on Knives with Ramona because he didn't want to have to go through the "difficulty" of breaking up with her. Whereas Ramona was literally brainwashed with a chip attached to her neck so she would return to Gideon. So Scott is far more of a "lying, cheating hypocrite" than the heroine (Ramona or Knives, really).

You are correct. It's a on going theme in all of these movies that women are somehow incapable of thinking for themselves and settle for the worst people. This isn't "As good as it gets". You can do better than psychopaths like myself. Seriously.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogen wrote:
Okay, but is there a good reason to romanticize abuse? Because "fictitious monsters act that way" seems like a flimsy reason, being that they're fictitious and will act however the author wants them to act.

I harp on Twilight because it's the one I know best (I don't read a lot of fiction anymore :( ), but there are relationships in other works (Wheel of Time, for the love of naked Jesus) that are just as messed up.


It's not men and boys who are pushing Twilight on women -- if anything, men make fun of women for enjoying Twilight. Twilight is something made by a woman for women, and for whatever reason, women have chosen to embrace Twilight. Even though I have no interest in reading Twilight myself, I respect other women's decisions to enjoy and fantasize about the kind of relationships depicted in the books.

Why do you think women and girls love Twilight so much?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diagram12345 wrote:
Dogen wrote:
Okay, but is there a good reason to romanticize abuse? Because "fictitious monsters act that way" seems like a flimsy reason, being that they're fictitious and will act however the author wants them to act.

I harp on Twilight because it's the one I know best (I don't read a lot of fiction anymore Sad ), but there are relationships in other works (Wheel of Time, for the love of naked Jesus) that are just as messed up.


It's not men and boys who are pushing Twilight on women -- if anything, men make fun of women for enjoying Twilight. Twilight is something made by a woman for women, and for whatever reason, women have chosen to embrace Twilight. Even though I have no interest in reading Twilight myself, I respect other women's decisions to enjoy and fantasize about the kind of relationships depicted in the books.

Why do you think women and girls love Twilight so much?


Generalize much you moron?

I think they love twilight so much because society teaches women that to have a man that's so madly "in love" with you it drives him literally crazy is a desireable thing, rather than the unbelievably scary thing it usually turns out to be IRL.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
diagram12345 wrote:
Dogen wrote:
Okay, but is there a good reason to romanticize abuse? Because "fictitious monsters act that way" seems like a flimsy reason, being that they're fictitious and will act however the author wants them to act.

I harp on Twilight because it's the one I know best (I don't read a lot of fiction anymore Sad ), but there are relationships in other works (Wheel of Time, for the love of naked Jesus) that are just as messed up.


It's not men and boys who are pushing Twilight on women -- if anything, men make fun of women for enjoying Twilight. Twilight is something made by a woman for women, and for whatever reason, women have chosen to embrace Twilight. Even though I have no interest in reading Twilight myself, I respect other women's decisions to enjoy and fantasize about the kind of relationships depicted in the books.

Why do you think women and girls love Twilight so much?


Generalize much you moron?

I think they love twilight so much because society teaches women that to have a man that's so madly "in love" with you it drives him literally crazy is a desireable thing, rather than the unbelievably scary thing it usually turns out to be IRL.


You'd think they'd realize that it's unsafe and they'd be in real danger if this was an actual scenario. You just can't trust people who break in your house at night and watch you sleep.

Luckily, almost all the people I know, males and females included actually hate Twilight with a passion. It's a perfect subject to discuss whenever we want to laugh at something for how bad it is.

Best review ever: http://markreads.net/reviews/2010/11/complete-mark-reads-twilight-archive/
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also women are not bees. The collective hive mind did not birth Twilight to provide nutrients for the nest. An individual woman wrote it, other individual women read it, other individual women do not read it.
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