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2013-06-26 Women Only Space
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Yinello



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theia wrote:
Don't female-only spaces run the same risk, though? Like, of their coming together just to bash on men or reinforce anti-male behaviors and attitudes?

I'm guessing the answer justifying female-only spaces over male-only spaces has something to do with social norms and the danger / risks that they pose.


They (often) don't, because women in women only spaces actually tend to use it as a safe zone.

If you ask a woman why she goes to a woman only gym, she will most likely say that she feels safe there. Safe from ogling, judging and whatnot that often comes from dudebros.

I'm sure someone else has an excellent link to an article about society, gender roles and safe spaces. Otherwise you can check out the Feminism thread in the General Discussion section.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:
It's not that they abuse women, it's that they can pat each other on the back and reaffirm their ideas on women. It's dangerous like how rape jokes make a rapist feel like what he does is normal.

Take theredpill on reddit for example. It's full of creepy ass dudes (and probably trolls) with creepy ideas on how to treat wimminz and they tell each other that yeah, that's the way to do it, don't let those feeemales get you down!

I'm all for an actual men space that harbors men who are being abused or who need help and that have professionals to help them out. Problem is with our society that it's perceived as 'weak' (womanly) and men proceed to say they don't need them.


I agree that there should be safe spaces for battered men, just most men's spaces are circlejerks for shitty thoughts.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dennis J. Squidbunny wrote:
Jesus, crayven, you don't sound offended, you sound old, and tired.

Who do they think they... just stick a sign in the... who says they can do it... with their rap music... my lawn... oughta lock em up!


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Ronald



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, for all intent and purpose, it's really a Sisterhood-only area until we see girls or women who aren't in the Sisterhood there.

At least in appearance, the Sisterhood members are children, and it's hardly unheard of for children to claim a given area as their own without any actual authority.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronald wrote:
You know, for all intent and purpose, it's really a Sisterhood-only area until we see girls or women who aren't in the Sisterhood there.

At least in appearance, the Sisterhood members are children, and it's hardly unheard of for children to claim a given area as their own without any actual authority.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you please make that image smaller?

Men have a history of barring women from all kinds of spaces - like men's clubs, schools and congress. Therefore, it is different when people make a 'men only' space than it is when people make a women only space.

And saying, "People would have a field day if men made a men's ony space today!" is silly. People have a field day when women make 'women only' only spaces - yet women continue doing it. If you want to do it, then put up with the public censure and quit whining.

Any time a marginalized group has something for them, there are complaints. Straight people complain about how there are Pride Parades. "How come there are no Straight Pride Parades?" they ask - as if we are all children and a parent handed Pride Parades to a gay sibling. The truth is gay people make those parades happen, and they did so to provide visibility and combat the shame everyone told them to feel.

Spaces for marginalized people serve a purpose. They serve to fix a problem that a minority group suffers from. They help with organizing.

For women, women's only groups provide the means to step back, analyse life, and learn words to label experiences and concepts they already knew about. Women's only groups provide a chance to talk freely without being shouted down or interrupted. And women victims of abuse can find support. Most importantly, though backgrounds vary from woman to woman, there are common experiences they can share.

For serious, women's only spaces have less to do with men than they do women. They aren't sitting there snickering, saying, "Haha the mn can't get in!"
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, thanks for the clarifications.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say the issue is not even just men reinforcing each other's misogynistic thoughts that makes people disapprove of men spaces. Sure, people worry about it some, but that's really not why society learned to shun them.

Traditionally, a lot of men clubs catered to the elite men, whether government or rich groups. Men who were allowed to join it were able to meet the rich and powerful. It was an area where they got together and hobnobbed. They were able to make more connections and further their careers. We'd love to say that career opportunities and promotions are completely based on skill and work ethic, but the truth is, it's all about socializing and getting to know people.

It's similar to how businesses would hold their meetings at the strip clubs. If women were even invited to such business meetings, they felt uncomfortable to go. It was just another way that women weren't able to be included and had the odds stacked in actually making their careers.
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Mercian



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where I live, there are a lot of 'working men's clubs', which, back in the day, were places for the menfolk to congregate when they finished at the mines or the factories. While women didn't have them, even if they also worked factory shifts) they would tend to get together in the home (handy for looking after the kids/getting dinner on the table because wimmens.) These days, even though they're still called working men's clubs, they've become more like community social places, family-oriented. Sadly, still not particularly LGBTQA-friendly, because I live in the rural Midlands, and people still eat their dead around here. But... yay slight improvement?
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