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Monkey Mcdermott



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey sam, would you be interested in taking the porn discussion into its own thread in general like the feminism discussion? I think it bleeds into enough threads lately to deserve its own spot.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounded like a good idea, so I took the liberty of creating a thread myself, complete with cool-sounding discussion prompt.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pixi-san wrote:
Fritterdonut, love your avatar. Have you read the comic?


Yes, I've read the comic. Or at least, as much of it I could find online translated into English.

This is like the 4th comment I've gotten on this avatar in like a week. I was unaware that CyberSix was so popular.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't sure whether to put this in the separate thread about porn or in this thread since it pertains to both... but I got the impression that the porn thread is more about the issue on its own, independently of this comic, and that's not really what this post is about, so I guess it should go here.

I am in agreement with Monkey (that because porn remains mostly exploitative, despite the existence of porn that is a "legitimate expression of sexuality", as an industry it deserves more condemnation than defense) but I've never gotten even the slightest indication from any individual comic in the entirety of SinFest's history that this is Tat's position. Every time porn has ever come up it has been either a condemnable act of hedonism (pre-Sisterhood) or cruel exploitation (post-Sisterhood) with no possibility of it ever being anything else.

Interpreting this comic as a condemnation of Squiggly's hypocrisy and/or inability to tell what is and is not "female friendly" sounds very far-fetched to me. We didn't even see the porn. We've never seen ANY porn that Squiggly has watched, as far as I can remember. Why assume there's a more nuanced meaning than "there simply is no such thing and never can be such a thing as 'female-friendly' porn, any more than there can be a 'sinner-friendly' hell"? Where has Tat ever given us reason to believe that he thinks porn can be morally acceptable under any circumstances?

I don't feel one way or the other about Tat's message, in that case. But neither do I have much doubt that that's what the message was supposed to be. The sign reads "PORN HARMS", all caps, no exceptions; only people like Squiggly ever defend even a subset of porn, and of course they're always just lying to themselves. Tat's not saying that they are nitpickers who are technically correct but still railroading constructive discussion (which I believe is Monkey's position). No, they literally see "female-friendly porn" where none exists.



Compare it to the indictment of patriarchal influence on mainstream films (the "Patriarchal [X] Movie" series). That series is similarly and justifiably harsh, but nowhere near the point of a sympathetic character setting up a booth, saying "FEATURE FILMS HARM" and mocking anyone who tries to start a discourse about positive examples of how women are treated in film.

Felgraf wrote:
Except God's a dudebro as established by Xanthe using his mopey tears, and Satan also wouldn't care about someone looking at non-female friendly porn (And would perhaps encourage it) since he has a vested interest in maintaining the patriarchy (or, at least, he seems to enjoy doing it),

So.. then.. wait what?

Is there some third entity that judges what is a "send you to hell before you die" level offense or something?


I don't think that it's this, OR Hell "trolling" people, as others have suggested. The whole reason why Satan encourages the patriarchy is so that more people will be cruel and exploitative towards one another--i.e., act with more sin and hate towards one another--so that he can collect more souls. After years of watching porn, Squiggly has finally committed enough sin for Hell to lay claim to his soul, so down he goes.

Again, I don't see why this comic isn't being taken at face value. "If you watch porn, you deserve to go to hell, claims of "female-friendliness" be (literally) damned". It doesn't seem that ambiguous.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bear in mind that this is sinfest, and being arbitrarily BoK'd down to Hell is a very common occurrence.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In that strip, Squig was trying to point out female friendly porn as a sign porn is progressive. Curly read off names of many other exploitative and harmful types of porn while either having a hard time or acting like she's having a hard time finding the porn he's talking about. She's only using what he's given her, not deriding him. And by juxtaposing the many armful forms of porn with the one good one (That we don't even know is actually good.), she is pointing out this friendly porn is so vastly outweighed by all the exploitative forms that it doesn't warrant being brought up time and time again to shut down arguments.

Also, people tend to go to Hell through their own actions. Li'l E recently went to Hell because he pitied himself, for example. Squig may be aware of his hypocrisy and thus landing there because of how he feels.

Also also, there have been strips that show how Dman markets products. Seymour rejected an offer of apples. The next day Seymour was in a supermarket and there were all kinds of new apple products, like pies. Only one was labeled as specifically evil. So he might avoid the pie, but would innocently accept devil fruit if he bought any of the others. This could extend to many other products, as Big D is a business man and very into marketing the shit out of everything. (Wouldn't be surprised if he sells some of the god/Jesus merchandise Seymour buys.). So conceivably, he could have created 'female friendly porn' for guys who are somewhat aware of exploitation and want something to relieve their guilt. So it woud involve the same exploited people, but they'd be saying things like,"I totally onsent and have full autonomy over my body and mind" while still behaving exactly as they do in regular exploitative porn.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varthonai wrote:
Again, I don't see why this comic isn't being taken at face value.


you don't end up with 20-page knock-down drag-out fights involving sentient toasters if you just take things at face value.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heretical Rants wrote:
tricksterson wrote:
So is Sinner-Friendly Hell, the same as Heck, or just next door to it?

neither, Heck's an airplane


wait

no



It contains such horrors as spicy mustard, non-Jesus-y beards, and brief nudity
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...Say.

What would even qualify as 'Female friendly porn'?

With every definition that I can come up with there are problems that I find...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leohan wrote:
...Say.

What would even qualify as 'Female friendly porn'?

With every definition that I can come up with there are problems that I find...


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