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2013-11-12: Bishounen Jesus vs Handsome Devil
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Bishounen Jesus
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Handsome Devil
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Do I _have_ to choose?
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Ricia



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that started my day very nicely.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now let's see him do the same strip with two female characters....
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Oh wait, that would be sexist and exploitative.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tricksterson wrote:
Now let's see him do the same strip with two female characters....
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Oh wait, that would be sexist and exploitative.


I think that's kinda the point.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was just about to say: I'm pretty sure this is parodying sexist & exploitative imagery.

Well, whatever. I'm getting comfy.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hasn't he done this kind of thing with 'Nique before? Back when he was making sexist, racist artwork that was completely unexamined privilege wise?

I wonder wonder wonder why an artist who has been exploring sexism in society would use a lens normally reserved for one set of people to view another set which is normally not examined in that way. Hmm. It's such a mystery, Tat must be throwing things out there for no reason.
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Ennis



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stripeypants wrote:
Hasn't he done this kind of thing with 'Nique before? Back when he was making sexist, racist artwork that was completely unexamined privilege wise?

I wonder wonder wonder why an artist who has been exploring sexism in society would use a lens normally reserved for one set of people to view another set which is normally not examined in that way. Hmm. It's such a mystery, Tat must be throwing things out there for no reason.


I have a terrible memory and yet can still remember Nique being in many, many gratuitous sexy poses in the past. I could probably find them easily since I have the first Sinfest book right here.
Bit awkward that on page 13 I've already come across racist/homophobic stereotypes.
Alrighty here goes.
Okay this is annoying, the book's strips don't have a date. I've already found two hypersexualised strips of Monique in a row but the archive search doesn't find them. Nvm think I have a solution.





Not visual exploitation but >_>

Women being literal objects (not even gonna go into the racism in this one)

Slick's lamp


These next three aren't even what I would consider "that bad" and I would actually say are on level with this thread's strip.



Bear in mind, even though it's easy to find many, many examples of sexy women being used for fanservice, a lot of what made Tat's previous work kind of... not very good, was more of the surrounding attitudes towards women.
Oh god while using Google to help me find these strips I came across a link that started out with "Tatsuya Ishida's "Sinfest" - All Men Are Evil, Male Heterosexuality Is ..." and the preview text says
"Jul 13, 2012 - 91 posts - ‎12 authors
In "Sinfest", ALL the male characters are some combination of stupid ..... and it's not even trying to be funny, just making some clumsy "point" ..."
Ah, I love the smell of butthurt MRAs in the... afternoon. But I'm still not clicking that link.
Back to finding more strips. I'm only just up to 2001 and I regret making the decision to do this.

I'm mainly posting this next one because of how I've seen men cry about how objectified the man is in these types of situations. Haha no.


Funny how the next strip is an exaggeration of what we actually see in real life, whereas I do not see that many shirtless men put into contortions to sell lingerie. Or shirtless men having sexy-offs to be ogled and objectified by women in mainstream media.


I finished the sinfest book and digitally going through the rest is not something I particularly want to waste time on given that I've already found a plethora of examples.
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Rune



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This somehow seems appropriate here:

http://kotaku.com/chinese-cinema-turns-thor-2-into-a-steamy-bromance-1460021493
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Moor



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... oh my goodness I read through those? Wow.


Also, obligatory reply making extremely explicit that we are constantly show women, not men, in those positions, that the women in those positions are given even less personality than both men are given in this strip alone, and than especially in the greater context of the strip this is obviously a parody, and actually a sort-of-similar, also-not-sexist comic, yes, could also be done with the female characters of the comic.

But really, my heart wasn't into that.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do people not see this is a parody?

Whatevs, hot guys posing > all
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