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wobster109



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In that case, I'd like to see some hint of a female character having sexuality in a healthy way. Yes, Slick and Squigley watching porn the way they did was degrading and promotes a culture of objectifying women. When it's represented by porn, it can't help but target every porn user everywhere.

But I feel Sinfest has gone too far the other way: placed women back onto pedestals, gone back to a world where women have no desire because they are Strong and Independent. Women in Sinfest have become victims in sexual situations, almost universally. Sapphire dances in a club but hates it, the women in the bomf district are sad and exploited, the fembots are abused. Abby, 'Nique, Pebbles, and Blue are absolutely chaste on screen. Just about the only woman who has expressed any healthy interest in sex is Fuchsia.

Nowadays, women in Sinfest never watch porn, never do anything sexual (not even by themselves), hardly ever relate to another character in a sexual or romantic way.

It's starting to sound like the old, insidious whisper that women shouldn't have sex. That sex is just not for women.

I'd like to see mention of women who have lust and desire, and see it portrayed as a normal and healthy thing. I don't want to see them having sex, but I would like to see them showing interest the way Francis Sebastian does.
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Yinello



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a way, I agree with both of you.

It's true that this development does mean improvement for Slick who does use porn to create skewed ideas on women and relationships.

I also do not like that in Sinfest, everything related to sexytime or porn is oppressive (and always owned by the devil).

I guess what would help is Nique going to Slick and saying: "Here, have some completely consentual woman-friendly porn, made by a company that rivals the devil and is approved by the sisterhood!" or something of the like. Tat could do a whole story how the devil is trying to bankrupt said company because he wants to have monopoly.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the sisterhood will approve of any porn. They seem to be dodging the isue of "female-friendly porn" here, and if they're not saying "Yes, but..." when Squig is pointing at it, I don't think they'll say "Yes" at all.

As for female characters expressing an interest in sex... well, it's entirely healthy for them to either do so or not do so, on their own terms. But I do get the feeling that there's something in the subtext of this that suggests we shouldn't expect, like Squig, to watch every little detail of developing relationships...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That thing with Squig says a lot, though. Female friendly porn is hard to find, and hucksters can easily say, "Yes, this is not exploitative" when it actually is.

It's like the guys who only support bits of feminism that they find sexy; for example, the freedom to express oneself sexually is an important part of feminism - but lots of guys jump at any example they can find of women dressing sexily for men and treating that both as the only valid form of sexual expression, and as proof of the gender essentialist idea that women naturally want to submit to men and behave as characters in mainstream porn do.

Given the state of the porn and sex industries in Sinfest (Which appears to be nearly all if not all exploitative.), any exclamations of support for female friendly porn that doesn't also accompany support if dismantling the vastly larger exploitative side of things is bogus. It's just hot air; Squig only expresses interest in it when he is confronted by the truth that nearly all the porn he personally consumes hurts actual people - the people he is attracted to.

I think it is important that everyone know what healthy sexuality is. But it is also very important to keep pointing out exploitation and problems. It's easy not to address those and not to think of them in the name of getting off. There are plenty of people who do like sex work and want to do it, so I think recognizing problems is the only way to work towards having only those who actually want to do sex work doing it.
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