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Mindslicer · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:40 am Post subject:

According to Rachel Maddow, this Ukraine thing is Bush's fault.

Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 11274 Location: PDX

While hyperbolic and fun to say, it sounds like what she's actually saying is that decisions made by his administration to enter two wars at the same time from which we have yet to be able to extricate ourselves have placed constraints on our ability to respond to other global and domestic situations. Despite being less partisan, doesn't that seem fairly rational? She even has the gall to suggest that if we hope to avoid the costs of fighting two wars at the same time in the future that we should learn from and understand what really happened in our history.

Personally, I think that sounds like witchcraft.
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fritterdonut · Joined: 24 Jul 2012 Posts: 1458

Isn't it American military doctrine that dictates the US Military should at all times be strong/ready enough to be able to fight 2 multi-front wars simultaneously?
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ShadowCell · Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Posts: 7395 Location: California

I would think that kind of goes out the window when the other country involved is a nuclear power with probably the world's second-most powerful military and a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.

Even if the US really wanted to, there's just not much they can do about Ukraine.

Felgraf · Joined: 10 Jul 2012 Posts: 734

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26440668

Fascist ukranian army resistance fascistly resists russian army, meets them completely unarmed (like fascists would!) and in a fascist display of fascist unarmed resistance march towards the russian army even as shots are being fired over their heads. Like fascists.

/If my tongue were planted any further in my cheek, I would violate the pauli exclusion principle.
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Echo · Joined: 18 Jul 2013 Posts: 1845

That they used to be on the same side as the Russian troops, as part of the same state?

Could also be some sort of battle standard for the unit; I don't quite know how the military divided with the split of the Soviet Union.

More broadly, I think it's there as a symbol of something that the Russian troops would really rather not shoot at.

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Jinx · Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:29 am Post subject:

Not to derail what seems to have become the Ukraine thread lately, but . . .

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