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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the lancet is one of the top-tier medical journals (along with the journal of the american medical association and the new england journal of medicine). i don't know much about the lancet personally (they've never published any of _our_ papers) - but i know the other two like to turn things around quickly - and there is a certain attraction to research that looks cutting edge. it really depends on the editor, though - JAMA went through a period a while ago when the editor got cold feet about anything that might bring political heat. but yes, papers have to pass peer-review to get in, and generally, those peers are people who work in that particular field. and sometimes that means the reviewers, even as a group, may have particular biases that may determine what gets published.

short answer: Scientists Are People Too. so they can make all the same mistakes as normal people. good on lancet for publishing both sides, and for acknowledging their mistakes.


and now you people are going to have me looking up lancet articles and figuring out the connection between fluoride and apitherapy. apitherapy - that's the one where you let bees sting you, right?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no connection, they were just two discussions happening simultaneously.

When we were publishing a paper a couple of years ago we got the standard "n+1" problem ("it looks interesting, but you should do one more study") which may or may not exist outside social science, and then we got an anonymous reviewer who recommended against publication because he didn't like the statistical method we used... and I say "he" because there's only one person who analyzes the type of data we produced in the way he recommended. He's trying to get other people to use his method, but no one's biting... so I guess he figured this was his chance to try and force someone to try it. Instead, we did one more small study and resubmitted it with a cover letter to the editor explaining why we chose the methods we did (they're the preferred analyses in the field) and got it published.

Peer review is important, but researchers are definitely people first.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we don't tend to get "do one more study", we get "you should do these 6 additional analyses (only half involving parameters that weren't collected in the large, publicly available surveys we use)".

yeah, i think most reviewers do try to give an honest review, but we all have our herd of hobby-horses. and you gotta ride those things _sometime_.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because so much of psychological research in cognition is done on college students (read: relatively easy to collect data) people love to suggest that if you just did one more study, looking at the topic from this other angle, your paper would be so much more complete. Submit one big study, they suggest a second. Submit a paper with two studies, a third would be helpful, etc. There's got to be a rational limit, though. One of my favorite papers (Ross & Sicoloy, 1979) had five studies, and I doubt anyone suggested a sixth.

... anyway, research. Good times.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently microwaves have the same effect on water as thoughts about Hitler.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arc Tempest wrote:
Apparently microwaves have the same effect on water as thoughts about Hitler.


Also, it'll give you "Satan water":



Also:

wiki on Vani Hari wrote:
The claims made by Hari lack a scientific basis and have been discredited by various scientists. [6][7][8] Professor Joseph A. Schwarcz stated on his blog that "She has no understanding of chemistry or food science."[9] Dr. David Gorski, author of the blog, Science-Based Medicine, opined that Hari "has been a malignant force promoting ignorance about food."

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't know thoughts about Hitler could heat water

Always learning something new, eh?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That will be helpful when the power goes out.

HITLER HITLER HITLER DING! Ramen's done!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wonder if i can do that in the break room at work when other people are monopolizing the microwave

"hey chris why are you standing there with your arm sticking up like that"
"oh i'm just thinking about hitler until my coffee heats up"
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arc Tempest wrote:
Apparently microwaves have the same effect on water as thoughts about Hitler.


Quote:
Microwaves destroy the nutrient value of your food. Live, healthy, and nutritious foods can become dead in a matter of seconds when you use a microwave.


this woman doesn't really understand the whole concept of "cooking", does she? i mean, however you cook something, it pretty much ends up dead.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my potatoes are totally still alive after I boil and mash them the good old-fashioned way, I'm sure of it

if you planted them, something would grow
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But would you then want to eat it?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heck yeah! Mashed potatoes straight from the garden!

Unless it creates vermin via Spontaneous Generation.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hitler would grow from your mashed potatoes.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One year at camp we decided to 'plant' a rainbow like in the skittles commercials and the next year all we had grown was the biggest ant hill I have ever seen.*

*true story.
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