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July 6: The Ones Left Behind
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then it comes down to: what is death? At least within the Sinfest world, what is death?

I think the point Hertical Rants is making is that the bots, the AI life forms, have an existence that can be separated from the corporeal body (the "chassis" as it has been put) and put in a different body. The body may be destroyed but the sentient portion, encoded in a chip or whathaveyou, continues. It can even be transmitted to multiple bodies, as it has been with the Assassin Bot (though the Sunday installment might possibly suggest, as the Assassins fell out of lockstep and battled the droids, that some dawning individualization due to separate experiences may be taking place).

All right, then. Besides AI life, there is also organic life (humans and sentient nonhuman animals), and -- what shall we call them? Gods? Demigods? If the latter are immortal, the question of death doesn't matter -- with the notable exception of Time, who dies annually and is replaced by (or reincarnated into) the infant New Year. So for the organic beings, what is death?

Well... again it's the separation of the sentient portion -- the "soul" let us suppose -- from the corporeal body. While the existence of souls may be up in the air in our own world, we've seen them tortured enough in Hell to know they exist in the Sinfest universe. The sentient part ("soul") exists after the corporeal part is destroyed.

How is that different from AI death? The fact that AI sentience can be easily transmitted to a new corporeal form? For organic beings, that would be reincarnation -- not so simple, and traditionally not spread across multiple bodies (though that might be interesting...). (Question: Has reincarnation been established in the Sinfest world?)

Then how do we define death in the context of Sinfest? If we define it as "corporeal body is destroyed, sentient portion continues," then there is AI death, which has been seen in the comic. That the sentient portion exists after the body is destroyed doesn't negate the "death" part -- unless we also say that the continuation of the soul for organic beings negates death, also. Well... Theologians might argue that point.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If humans have immortal souls that preserve their thoughts, memories, consciousness, etc then humans don't die. Full stop. No argument. I refuse to use a definition of death that describes things otherwise.

This doesn't apply to the real world, but it does apply to Sinfest.

In Sinfest we observe humans (and anthropomorphic pigs) falling down hellholes. In Sinfest you can visit a human whose body has been destroyed simply by digging a ten foot deep hole in the ground. The closest thing the strip has to a main character has returned from hell alive and well simply by receiving a get-out-of-hell-free card from his friend. Devil people who work the hellpits have their own ghettos on the surface. ... though I've always found it quite strange that they would be so marginalized on the surface when Big D is in charge everything. Guess Sinfest isn't internally consistent.

Even a long-term torturee (the Storytime Zombie) returned to the surface after years of torment.

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You're comparing what I said to the "just a nigger" line from Huckleberry Finn? Fucking seriously?

It was a continuation of previous comments I've made in other threads. At one point it seemed like Assassin Bot had died, making Milton the only person to have actually killed anyone in all of the Sinfest universe, seeing as humans don't actually die in Sinfest.

This would have made Milton the only murderer.

but now not only has she survived, there's more of her
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you quote people if you're just going to replace the quote with 'words'?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

to show that I'm responding to them specifically in the following block of text

it remains clear what I'm responding to, but eliminates walls of redundant crap to scroll past


the alternative would be to put "@SA_Penguin" or whatever in the post, but I don't like addressing people by name in the second person
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, and in this particular case I never clicked the "quote" button. I typed the tags out myself. It took somewhat less effort than hunting down the actual block of text and copy-pasting it into my post.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's worth noting that, as seen here, destroying/deactivating/disassembling a fembot's "chassis" seems to be terminal for the personality inside. All we see is Pxsomethingsomething accessing her sister's memories. And with the whole thing titled as "Domestic Violence", It's a bit more clear that regarding fembots as disposable is very much Not OK.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you have no means of interacting with the world it's probably best to just stop thinking for a while

and yes, of course crippling someone and then throwing them in the garbage is a very bad thing to do.
that doesn't even need mentioning


however, I find it equally disturbing that px put her back in the garbage, assuming she didn't copy her to her own systems


Tats has established, intentionally or not, that their "cpu" is an all in one system

if that had been destroyed, you wouldn't be able to access memories

ergo it has not been destroyed
ergo her sister is still alive
sitting in the garbage
a brain with no means of interacting with anything
and it's partly px's fault that she's still there

I don't think that was Tats' intent.
I don't think that Tats has really thought this through.
but that's still what's shown in the strip
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has it been shown that the new "batch" of assassin bots have literally been uploaded with the consciousness of the destroyed one though? Because I assumed they'd just been shown her memories, maybe some Sisterhood stuff, and decided their course of action from there.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, all we saw was the chip being used as part of Clio's hack. I think that the mechanic in Sinfest-world is that you can upload/share memories, but the consciousness is gone when you kill the bot. Otherwise, when Pxsomethingsomething viewed the memories of her destroyed sister in the Domestic Violence strip, it would have been a conversation with the surviving intelligence, not just a viewing of her memories. Probably something similar would have happened with Clio and the chip from the weaponised fembot; had any personality survived, there would have been a conversation, not just an exploration of her memories and final recorded thought.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If everything's on one chip, the chances of having the "final recorded memory" or whatever survive, but not the rest, are infinitesimal. I won't accept such a massive contrivance unless it's explicitly stated in-comic, and even then I'll be annoyed.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, whatever, now we have only three new characters on the verge of joining the overall cast, not twelve.

I haven't yet seen any obvious way to tell them apart, though.
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