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August 24: Cult of Masculinity 2
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wobster109



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am so confused by this strip. Good that he'll get his ordinary glasses back though. The pointy ones made it hard to tell between Slick and Sleaze.

The odd thing is he hasn't really done anything terrible even with the glasses. The only thing he's done differently is looking at price tags. He still had his porn filter on, and he was still trying to collect glitter points.
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CalmBlueSea



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, he did the same stuff, but with different intent. It wasn't "I'm going to try to be a good person," anymore, it was "If I act like a good person, maybe I'll get laid!"

And 'just looking at price tags' doesn't really do justice to how objectifying that whole bit was.
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Echo



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye, and the whole trying-to-"buy"-'Nique-with-glitter-points thing was just off-the scale creepy. Shame he didn't work out the significance of that price tag coming off.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always imagined the sisterhood being led by some kind of AI, who also uploads self-awareness into the bots. These two strips reinforce that...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you imagine that?
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EverythingsJake



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim wrote:
I always imagined the sisterhood being led by some kind of AI, who also uploads self-awareness into the bots. These two strips reinforce that...


No, the one uploading things is Clio. We've seen several instances of that.

Self-awareness comes when fembots enter the Reality Zone -- or, apparently, share memories of one who has been in the Reality Zone.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stripeypants wrote:
Why do you imagine that?


I don't know... I like AIs in general, I guess.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AIs are really fascinating. I think in literature/media it's really neat to see how what people want is displayed by what they write, or what a culture seems to want by looking at what most writers are writing about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EverythingsJake wrote:
Tim wrote:
I always imagined the sisterhood being led by some kind of AI, who also uploads self-awareness into the bots. These two strips reinforce that...


No, the one uploading things is Clio. We've seen several instances of that.

Self-awareness comes when fembots enter the Reality Zone -- or, apparently, share memories of one who has been in the Reality Zone.


Ultimately, Clio's the one who set the whole PX plot into motion by irking Slick into taking PX into The Reality Zone in the first place. Oh, good one, Clio.

I think it could've been more interesting for Slick to gradually realize how unfulfilling a relationship with an un-realitized Fembot was. Or even for him to prove Clio wrong by having a meaningful relationship with PX.

Un-realitized Fembots are either automatons or sentient beings. They can't be both. And if they're automatons, destroying one is little different than destroying a coffee maker or an alarm clock or, well, a mechanical sex toy (a topic about which I know practically nothing). If they're not automatons, well, where did Clio get off telling Slick that his relationship with PX was "fake" to begin with?

IMHO Tat didn't really give un-realitized PX a fair chance. We didn't even get to "hear" an example of her witty repartee.

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Echo



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting how far you're reaching in order to find a woman to blame (seriously, Slick was "irked" and so absolved of all responsibility for any actions he took?), and to try and make the abuse and destruction of Pxsomethingsomething's sisters seem acceptable.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echo wrote:
Interesting how far you're reaching in order to find a woman to blame (seriously, Slick was "irked" and so absolved of all responsibility for any actions he took?)


Uh. No. I didn't say that at all. I said that Clio's the one who set things in motion. And she is. If she hadn't said anything, Slick would not have taken the actions that he did. It was Slick's choice to react as he did -- IMHO he should've just told Clio to buzz off -- but that's what he did. React.

Echo wrote:
, and to try and make the abuse and destruction of Pxsomethingsomething's sisters seem acceptable.


I...wasn't aware that I'd done that. I presented both interpretations. That's what my use of the word if meant.

Maybe in the future you'll respond to what I actually say instead of what you want to pretend that I said. I'm not optimistic, though.

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To re-state, if it's wrong for Deviltech to destroy un-realitized Fembots, then it was wrong of Clio to dismiss Slick's relationship with PX as "fake" (not as wrong, of course; there are levels; death is much worse than a mere insult). An un-realitized Fembot can't be a person and an object simultaneously. It's all of one or all of the other.

I remember the very thing occurring to me when watching the Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode "I Was Made to Love You," in which Buffy considered Warren (1) pathetic for "building" a girlfriend (April the Robot) and (2) cruel for manipulating that girlfriend, yet April couldn't be a toy that only a loser would settle for and a person deserving of respect. If she was a person, why would it be pathetic to have her for a girlfriend? If she was a toy, how could she be capable of experiencing psychological pain?

My main point (such as it was) was that if Clio considers non-realitized Fembots to be people, then she was a hypocrite for criticizing Slick over having one for a "girlfriend."

Then again, maybe she only did that because she expected Slick to respond by taking PX into the Reality Zone. Maybe that was her plan all along. So, yeah, thanks for reducing Slick's happiness to a mere cog in your theoretical master plan, Clio. Thanks for initiating what I myself personally individually consider to be an interminable, depressing, and only intermittently entertaining subplot, Clio. Thanks for making the strip less fun, Clio.

IMHO it was mean of Clio to disrupt Slick's relationship with PX. Period. Slick wears his desperate desire for approval from women and the Sisterhood in particular on his sleeve. It's obvious in most of his interactions with Xanthe.
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Echo



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now you're reaching even further to blame Clio. If Clio hadn't said "Fake", Slick would never have reacted blah blah blah. It was all her Evil Master Plan to manipulate the poor, helpless male into doing her bidding.

Aye, right.

And now you're blaming *Clio* for making the strip "less fun", instead of, you know, Tat.

<Grabs some popcorn from the other thread>

Carry on, I am adequately entertained.
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echo wrote:
I am adequately entertained.


It obviously doesn't take much.

I wonder what you'll pretend that I just said. I don't care, I just wonder.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronald wrote:
If she was a person, why would it be pathetic to have her for a girlfriend?


Because Slick bought her.

Transfer the Sinfestverse to an Antebellum plantation in Georgia. Make PX a slave that Slick just bought for the same purposes as a fembot.

Now can you see why it would still be an issue if she were a person?
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the comparison is valid.

If Slick hadn't bought her, she'd still be in a box, on a shelf, inert. Dead. Unborn. Whatever.

The system that, literally, created PX gave her only two options at "birth": Activate upon becoming a buyer's "property" or stay dead. That sucks, but that's how it is.

Slick's purchase of PX is the only reason that she is alive (so to speak) in the first place. And Slick was treating her much better than, apparently, the average Fembot purchasers treat their Fembots. Treating her better than many humans treat other humans, in fact.

Slick and PX were happy together. Then Clio made her fateful remark. Now neither Slick nor PX are happy.

Is any part of the above paragraph untrue?
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