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Lone_W_Hunt



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject: November 14, 2017: Shame Shame Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, hell, let's just purge all humans from the planet. And we can start with you kid. -_-*
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do realise we're talking abour rapists and sexual harassers here? Not those opposing them?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, tear down academia, the womb of the social justice movement, identity politics, and post modernist chicanery.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well so far we've heard from those who pretend the whole population is being persecuted, not just the criminals. One has to wonder why these argumentors feel so personally embattled around this subject.

I bet next we'll hear from that what-about-ists, as if changing the subject real quick helps somehow.

Because not being rapists and abusers, or not being on their side, is so gosh-darned difficult, I guess?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh c'mon. DC isnt so bad. Ok, not all Ideas in the last Years where good, but they still make some decent Comicbooks. At least here and there.....

Can somebody tell me about what Church she is even talking about? I mean, there are many christian Churches. Normaly all just bash on the Roman Catholic Church, but i think in the USA she is not the biggest one.

I really dont like her Attetute. She was allways a bit extrem, but until now we have just seen this Side from her, where she looks like a Fanatic.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caimsen wrote:
Oh c'mon. DC isnt so bad. Ok, not all Ideas in the last Years where good, but they still make some decent Comicbooks. At least here and there.....

Razz
pretty sure she's talking about pedophilia in the catholic church. although some of the protestant fundamentalist sects in the US also have ...interesting...ideas on things like child marriages, and of course the place of women in general.

yeah, li'l sis is a bit fanatical. the young can be quite extreme. there is something to be said for mellowing out a bit...then again, fanaticism does give one the energy to force change.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mass shaming is irrelevant. When you try to shame everyone, everyone tends to shrug their shoulders and feel they are no better or worse than everyone else. As any decent high school bully knows, if you want to shame someone then you have to aim for one person in the middle of a big audience.

What is worse, when only one (or a few) people try to shame everyone with no supporting audience then that small group simply comes off sounding like a whiny little crybaby with ill-conceived notions of grandeur. Basic schoolroom psychology.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See this is part of the reason I really dislike Lil Sis, and the 'That Industry is Bad it should be torn down' mentality that I've come across.

Yes, EVERY SINGLE Industry she mentioned needs to make big changes and adapt to a better model for the future, THAT I agree with. But the 'Nope, tear it down and MAYBE let it be rebuilt after the fact' Scorched Earth philosophy is very much a 'It doesn't cause ME problems so I don't care about the consequences of it'.

Just taking some ROUGH numbers the various businesses, institutions and entertainment industries she mentioned employ's between 20 and 30 MILLION people in the United States alone, that's not tying in other businesses that would be impacted by them suddenly being GONE.

So OK, we close them ALL down, you've just put 10 fucking % of the United States on Unemployment, families are starving, and since these businesses have been abolished, not just 'restructured' there is NO work for these people. She's suggesting a path that would cause the Greatest Economic Depression the Country has EVER seen on the stance that history has shown that these are toxic industries and they are TOO SLOW to change for HER tastes so they need to be eliminated no matter the cost to people who have nothing to do with WHY they are this way.

So yes, I have to Disagree with Lil Sis on this one, Reform and change to these industries need to come, but a 'Nope Gone' because Fuck it it's not ME that's going to suffer and starve mentality, doesn't help anyone.

*Edit* Actually.... Fraternities, I don't really see a draw back to their elimination, as they just continue to perpetuate an Old Boy network for business, and a 'safe haven' for Misogynistic Attitudes on Campus's. And all they'd lose is a bit of Revenue from housing so, yea, Purge the Fucking Frats Razz

*Edit 2* Also Sex Industry, I'm referring to porn in general in my above post, not Sex Trafficking, or prostitution. As one is an industry that again can and has the capacity to change, while the other is pure Illegal Exploitation.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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purge
[purj]

verb (used with object), purged, purging.
1. to rid of whatever is impure or undesirable; cleanse; purify.
2. to rid, clear, or free (usually followed by of or from):
to purge a political party of disloyal members.

3. to clear of imputed guilt or ritual uncleanliness.
4. to clear away or wipe out legally (an offense, accusation, etc.) by atonement or other suitable action.
5. to remove by cleansing or purifying (often followed by away, off, or out).
6. to clear or empty (the bowels) by causing evacuation.
7. to cause evacuation of the bowels of (a person).
8. to put to death or otherwise eliminate (undesirable or unwanted members) from a political organization, government, nation, etc.
9. Metallurgy.

to drive off (undesirable gases) from a furnace or stove.
to free (a furnace or stove) of undesirable gases.

verb (used without object), purged, purging.
10. to become cleansed or purified.
11. to undergo or cause purging of the bowels.
noun
12. the act or process of purging.
13. the removal or elimination of members of a political organization, government, nation, etc., who are considered disloyal or otherwise undesirable.


words. they haz meanings.

she's talking about cleaning out _all_ the bad actors, from all parts of society, even the ones not in the news yet. not completely destroying all industries, etc.
given the talents of some of the people she hangs out with, you can't really believe she wants all stem and tech wiped out - that's what those friends _do_ (unless they are limited by male power figures). and getting rid of _all_ movies, _all_ games? i think not.

but the men whose sense of entitlement lets them harass, diminish, shut out women? those guys can go. all of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stand educated and corrected, thank you Mouse Smile

*Edit* Usually when I hear people use Purge, it means total elimination. When I hear someone say, we're going to purge African Americans from the South, I don't think they're just going to to after the 'Bad Ones'. Also anyone who would say this probably wouldn't be using the above term as an identifier. But again, my assumption made this worse than perhaps Tat/Lil Sis meant it so I'll accept that I'm likely wrong in this case.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Onimaru wrote:
*Edit* Usually when I hear people use Purge, it means total elimination. When I hear someone say, we're going to purge African Americans from the South, I don't think they're just going to to after the 'Bad Ones'. Also anyone who would say this probably wouldn't be using the above term as an identifier. But again, my assumption made this worse than perhaps Tat/Lil Sis meant it so I'll accept that I'm likely wrong in this case.


That's the funny thing about language. The meaning of words changes over time.

To quote the late great Terry Pratchett, "Elves are terrific. They beget terror. The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look behind words that have changed their meaning. "
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Onimaru wrote:
IWhen I hear someone say, we're going to purge African Americans from the South, I don't think they're just going to to after the 'Bad Ones'.


no, they do mean they are going to get rid of all the african americans in the south - but not the entire south; they will leave the south in existence, inhabited only by whites.

i suppose li'l sis may have meant to remove all men from those industries, but that is still not the same as obliterating the industries.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never thought I'd see the day where Seymour would be the most moderate speaker in a conversation.
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