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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All of this and more is likely be all demcorats' faults.

That one shouldn't go past any living being with an IQ just a bit higher than one of a golden retriever. All this tawpayer money piled upon absolutly powerless government employees, it's so biblical it's huge.


i have to disagree. i think golden retrievers are smarter than that.

they are certainly more humane.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, for one, wouldn't accept a custom official licking my face clean. That's a plus in my book.

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Those kids "not in a cage" but in fenced and enclosed playroom, according to Breitbart and Fox, way beyond the pale.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

apparently there was someone on fox who came from a "farm background" that saw it as just like the pens used to confine livestock.

....not exactly making the case for humanity, fox.

depressing to hear on the radios this morning, though, how many conservative talkbots have swallowed trump's point whole and repeating the mantra of "it's all the democrats' fault, we are just enforcing the law, we have no choice, those people wilfully broke the law (and besides most of those kids are probably coming in with human/drug traffickers how can we possibly tell the difference?"
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaaaaannnnd.....we just got another insight in to the workings of that man's mind:
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President Trump ridiculed on Tuesday what he said was a total lack of security at the nation’s borders, falsely blaming Democrats for separating families and dismissing as “crazy” Republican proposals to hire thousands of new immigration judges.

Rejecting a proposal by Senator Ted Cruz of Texas to end family separations by boosting personnel in immigration courts, Mr. Trump suggested that many of the immigration judges could be corrupt, and he said some lawyers who appear in their courtrooms are “bad people.”

“They said, ‘Sir, we’d like to hire about five or six thousand more judges,’” Mr. Trump said in a long and rambling speech. “Five or six thousand? Now, can you imagine the graft that must take place? You’re all small-business owners, so I know you can’t imagine a thing like that would happen.”


yup....no way to hire 5-6000 people without endless graft. of course, it does seem to be true of his administration.....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the way trump has signed the order to end family separation (that he was for a long time denying was his fault or anything he could unilaterally end without senate action, great job president fuckstick) violates a Supreme Court case (flores) so most likely this mess is going to continue for the foreseeable future
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what he signed sounds a bit hand-wavy:
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The president’s four-page order says that officials will continue to criminally prosecute everyone who crosses the border illegally, but will seek to find or build facilities that can hold families — parents and children together — instead of separating them while their legal cases are considered by the courts.


"will seek to find or build"....that would take time. so is he going to continue separating the children (while no doubt demanding Congress come up with the money to build shelters?)

and as to the immediate problem:
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And a Health and Human Services official said that more than 2,300 children who have already been separated from their parents under the president’s “zero tolerance” policy will not be immediately reunited with their families while the adults remain in federal custody during their immigration proceedings.

“There will not be a grandfathering of existing cases,” said Kenneth Wolfe, a spokesman for the Administration for Children and Families, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services. Mr. Wolfe said the decision about the children was made by the White House, but he added, “I can tell you definitively that is going to be policy.”



so in typical trumpian fashion, he's made a lot of noise and solved exactly nothing, while probably adding yet another legal challenge.

this guy must be a lawyer's delight - he generates lawsuits every step he takes, and makes clear that even the goofiest hack can have a high-profile lawyering position.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There isn't even a policy to reunite the children with their parents. What are they going to do when a parent is released, throw a random toddler on the streets? How do they sleep at night.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, they've already deported at least one woman without her son.

situation seems to be as they used to say, FUBAR, to say the least:
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Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the “zero tolerance” policy officially in early May to stanch the flow of migrants, mainly from Central American countries like Guatemala. It calls for prosecuting nearly all of those who are found to have entered the United States illegally. Previously, most border-crossers who were caught would have faced deportation but not criminal charges, and would not have been separated from their children.

Children whose parents have been arrested are transferred to the custody of the Health and Human Services Department, whose staff screens them, finds housing and remains responsible for them.

From that point, migrant parents and children become separate legal cases in the maze of government bureaucracy, and keeping them linked has proved challenging. Different legal protections are afforded to juveniles and adults in the immigration system, and as a result, reuniting families can take months or longer, several legal experts said.

In federal court, parents typically plead guilty to the misdemeanor offense of illegal entry. Many are then likely to accept “expedited removal” from the country, in the hope of being reunited quickly with their children. But children cannot be subject to expedited removal; they are automatically entitled to a full hearing before an immigration judge, and their cases take longer to resolve.


and unless things have changed, the children aren't given attorneys, they have to represent themselves (unless some organization steps in to help).

oh, the takeaway had a program today about who's profiting from increasing the number of immigrants detained - everybody who _didn't_ think it would be jeff session's favorite business, private prisons, go to the back of the class. i will admit i only caught part of this....but one immediate tidbit was that the private prison companies started expanding their facilities for immigrants a year ago, well in advance of this policy being declared. so apparently the administration had time to make sure their friends were set up to rake in the cash, but not enough to actually think through the ramifications and mechanics of what they were doing...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A baker refuses to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple. Mike Huckabee is all about that freedom!

A restaurant refuses to serve his daughter because of the terrible policies she defends on a weekly basis. Mike Huckabee ain't about that bigotry!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

silly wheels. don't you know those "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" signs are only valid when the "anyone" is black? or i guess lgbt or muslim or....anything but a white conservative. because discriminating against someone because their own actions instead of what they were born - i'm sure jesus would totally be against that!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the world of, you must use simples words, this reasoning goes beyond my understanding : Harley Davidson moves plant overseas

True, that move was planned before #TehDonald slapped tariffs on steel and aluminium. But I can't help feeling a tweet will follow that decision.
A huge tweet.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

he'll probably come up with tweet - but i'm dead certain sure that tweet will not acknowledge that this was an easily foreseeable outcome to his tariffs, which like so many of his policies are going to hurt his base significantly. saw something quoting a wisconsin farmer saying they may end up just dumping milk in the fields, because the tariff means their market will be significantly reduced. although i guess that does mean a rash of cheap burgers (since dairy cows tend to end up as ground beef). so he'll probably be boasting about how his policies brought down the price of a macdonald's meal.

i guess what we should be betting on is how he will manage to pin harley's move on maxine waters and/or the red hen restaurant.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's where the dairyman's quote came from; it's got a nice summary of the situation:
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The dairy industry now faces substantial tariffs on products it exports as Mexico, Canada and other countries retaliate against Mr. Trump’s steel and aluminum tariffs. American exporters also fear that they could lose access to Canada and Mexico if the president goes ahead with his threat to withdraw from the North American Free Trade Agreement. And they are finding themselves at an increasing disadvantage as other countries move ahead with trade agreements that grant each other freer access to their markets while Mr. Trump further isolates the United States.

It was counties like Sheboygan, where Plymouth is located, that helped sweep Mr. Trump into the White House, and many people in Plymouth are still staunch supporters of the president. But many differ with his negative views of global trade, which has generally been good for the dairy industry.

Nafta, which the president often calls the worst trade deal ever, has given the industry a valuable foothold in Mexico. That country is now America’s largest export market for cheese, absorbing more than a quarter of all the cheese that leaves the United States. Dairy farmers and cheesemakers generally supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a 12-nation pact Mr. Trump withdrew from in his first days in office, which would have opened up valuable new markets, including Japan.


trump is totally clueless on the international nature of business nowadays, since his thinking apparently calcified somewhere in the 70's. and since his base never bothered, apparently, to check what the tariffs were really liked (they were quite low with most of our trading partners)...well, as they say, be careful what you wish for.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, and in another "gee, who could possibly have predicted _that_?" trumpian move, prioritizing removal of illegals means fewer resources to prosecute drug smugglers.

but at least we are safe from alien toddlers!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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