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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so this is technically words, but it's a PICTURE of words:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

all ethnic languages are stupid like that

English has just incorporated stupidity from more places/things than most


if you want the language to follow intuitive patterns, you have to impose that on it from the beginning
and as it's used by a given culture, quirks in common usage will eat away at that unless you keep driving it in somehow
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WE see how well that worked for Esperanto
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Esperanto has the same problem, too, as far as I'm aware

that's partly what I was referring to with "quirks in common usage will eat away at {the imposed intuitive patterns}"

in some ways it has a slightly bad design, but also, for example, incorporation of new roots from European languages has run rampant even when they weren't needed to convey meaning
which is also partly a design flaw, I guess



the reasons Esperanto and languages like it aren't particularly successful are mostly political, though

Esperanto is well enough designed to be super easy to learn compared to other languages, certainly, and English is a piss-poor choice as an international language in comparison
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baby tailed beasts:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heretical Rants wrote:
Esperanto is well enough designed to be super easy to learn compared to other languages, certainly, and English is a piss-poor choice as an international language in comparison


Did you know that English is already used at the default international language for air traffic control? Apparently, English excels at communicating semantics, which are critical for coordinating large pieces of equipment.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd heard something similar but opposite about the Chinese language; that it wasn't very suitable for directing military aircraft.

Anyway, those examples in the original picture are not things I've ever heard ESL people complain about.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
I'd heard something similar but opposite about the Chinese language; that it wasn't very suitable for directing military aircraft.

Anyway, those examples in the original picture are not things I've ever heard ESL people complain about.


Chinese (and japanese in a similar vein) are heavily context based, and what I mean there is that the same sound or word can have widely different meanings based on sentence structure or the paragraph, you literally have to look at an entire paragraph a lot of the team to gleam the correct meaning. This makes verbal communication difficult, as written communication can have different symbols for the exact same sounds, implying different contextual meaning.

The example i half remember from my japanese book is

ki ri ki ri ki ri ki ri ki ki ri ki ki ri ki ki ri

translates into the chicken farm in kiriki has many chickens, sometimes more than a dozen

or something silly like that
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jwadd wrote:
The example i half remember from my japanese book is

ki ri ki ri ki ri ki ri ki ki ri ki ki ri ki ki ri

translates into the chicken farm in kiriki has many chickens, sometimes more than a dozen

or something silly like that


Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo, buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TIAB wrote:
jwadd wrote:
The example i half remember from my japanese book is

ki ri ki ri ki ri ki ri ki ki ri ki ki ri ki ki ri

translates into the chicken farm in kiriki has many chickens, sometimes more than a dozen

or something silly like that


Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo, buffalo Buffalo buffalo.


The vowel purse the vowel purse the vowel purse the vowel purse the vowel purse . . .
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