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Quantum Physics, anyone?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maniac_wolfman wrote:
WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
Well it's more about whether dimensions "exist" or not. THAT's the philosophical part. I usually considered them more like qualities than things.


I always felt that dimensions, as well as time, are merely a human construct we overlay against the universe in an attempt to make sense of the world around us. The universe operates fine without such quantifiers.

Spluh.

Er. No?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Folks, as you can see for yourself, the way this clock over here is behaving, time is an affliction!
Now this might be cause for alarm among a portion of you as from a certain experience, I tend to proclaim:
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh, the very existence of dimensions. Nice consideration. I say, if they exist then consider them all; if they don't then they don't matter. Wink

Wheels, if dimensions don't exist, except as a perceptual quality, then neither should other qualities, such as length, finiteness, duration, etc. I don't consider my experiencing the qualities to be proof they exist, but it sure is compelling... Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i really like death's take on schroedinger's cat:

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"If I understand it right, you don't know if the cat's dead or alive until you look at it."
"THINGS WILL HAVE COME TO A PRETTY PASS, ALBERT, IF I DID NOT KNOW WHETHER A THING WAS DEAD OR ALIVE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO AND LOOK."

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

???

how can you imagine dimensions not existing?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flion wrote:
Wheels, if dimensions don't exist, except as a perceptual quality...

I don't mean like "they're all in your head," I meant as a quality of physical things in the way that charge or mass are.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
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Wheels, if dimensions don't exist, except as a perceptual quality...

I don't mean like "they're all in your head," I meant as a quality of physical things in the way that charge or mass are.


is molecular structure, then, different from charge and mass in some specific way, in terms of a physical quality?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not parse your question, sir.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"mass" and "charge", by your tell, are qualities of a physical thing that share that share some commonality...

...does "molecular structure" share that commonality, or is it a different sort of quality?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, if I understand you right, you are implying that things like "mass and charge" are qualities of individual particles whereas things like "Molecular structure" or "length" cannot be pinned down as such?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinned down? maybe not.

i'm exploring a thought - maybe that molecular structure has a relationship that is more complex than just the how it interacts with the individual particles; possibly it interacts with "space".

which has implications for the existance of space itself and by extention, dimension.

but it might be cyclical reasoning as stated, so i want to come at it from your angle...


so, in that light -- is molecular structure a "quality" in the same sense as mass or charge, or is it somehow a different type of quality, or a different thing altogether?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major Tom wrote:
pinned down? maybe not.

I'm exploring a thought - maybe that molecular structure has a relationship that is more complex than just the how it interacts with the individual particles; possibly it interacts with "space".

Or it could be an emergent property from the "spaciness" of the particles and other qualities at work?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i'm not thinking about the source of molecular structure, but maybe i should?

so, to take a step back -- is molecular structure a quality of a physical thing?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of a molecule, maybe.
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