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DigitalVirtuoso



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trustedfaith wrote:
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That is my take on Torture.

As for this being the most humane war ever, I for one cannot think of a war in the history of human existance (that was this large in scale) which was more humane. It is my opinion that this is the most humane war. Some of this stuff we hear on the news is blown out of proportion.


Warring for peace is like fucking for virginity.

*shrug*


Agreed.

Some people don't share that opinion though, and just consider war the only answer. There are always other avenues to be traveled.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trustedfaith wrote:
DigitalVirtuoso wrote:
That is my take on Torture.

As for this being the most humane war ever, I for one cannot think of a war in the history of human existance (that was this large in scale) which was more humane. It is my opinion that this is the most humane war. Some of this stuff we hear on the news is blown out of proportion.


Warring for peace is like fucking for virginity.

*shrug*


This analogy is not always apt.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Especially when you consider that violence is one of the most permanent solutions available.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

-- you've never heard of an anecdotal incident where torture has been effective;

-- you don't know the meaning of the word torture;

-- you call torture justifiable and even humane.




why should i worry about hypotheticals you might stir up?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DigitalVirtuoso wrote:
To me, there is a difference between killing Military combatants on purpose, and killing Non-combatants on purpose (civilians). It really bugs me that those people can do that without conscience.


On Purpose?

If an Evil Doer (am I referencing Batman, or GWB? You'll never know!) is in a room with my neighbors and friends, and I throw a grenade in the room to kill the Bad Guy, I very clearly have made a decision to kill my innocent associates as well. This is not to say I "want" them to die, but I nevertheless have made a purposeful decision to carry out an act which I know will result in their deaths. By extension of this line of thinking, and taking particular note of the 39,228 completely innocent Iraqis dead so far, we see that the actions of the US Military, in going after Them Thar Evil Doers, fits your description to a T.

Also, since you seem such a proponent of quanitfying the inherent "humanity" of an act, shall we do a count to see which side has killed more innocent people, the terrorists or the United States? We can cut this cake any number of ways.

PS:
I'm glad that suicide bombers taking out hordes of schoolchildren "really bugs" you.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DigitalVirtuoso wrote:
I like seeing how people respond to hypothetical situations *shrug*

And for the record, calling a war Humane is really an Oxymoron. Just like the deafing silience of the whole conundrum. LOL.

What a day =)


I find people's responses to real situations provide far more insight.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kilgore wrote:
trustedfaith wrote:
DigitalVirtuoso wrote:
That is my take on Torture.

As for this being the most humane war ever, I for one cannot think of a war in the history of human existance (that was this large in scale) which was more humane. It is my opinion that this is the most humane war. Some of this stuff we hear on the news is blown out of proportion.


Warring for peace is like fucking for virginity.

*shrug*


This analogy is not always apt.

For some reason, I read trustedfaith's comment as a criticism of considering the inhumanity of a war only with respect to other wars, since not starting a war is going to be the better choice pretty much every time.

Upon rereading, I'm not quite sure why I read it like that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Mass Murderers there use Innocent people as Human Sheilds. Do US soldiers use human sheilds? Innocent people?

The purpose of the bomb sent is to kill a Them Thar Evil doer, whom sends unconvential weapons and uses unconvential means to kill civilians and soldiers, not giving a shit which it kills... Some of those groups targeted specific ethnic groups as well, attacking specific muslim factions. If we are being world police in that reigon, should we let them keep doing that?

Honestly, everyone is in the wrong, BUT we target the guys who target innocent people.

I understand your view on the situation, and I don't like the fact innocent people die because of war, but I really think the ends will justify the means.

nathan wrote:
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I'm glad that suicide bombers taking out hordes of schoolchildren "really bugs" you.


Take your flaming elsewhere, it is really childish.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DigitalVirtuoso wrote:


Take your flaming elsewhere, it is really childish.


*laughs* Oh, man. All these new people are really cracking me up.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy If I made someone laugh today. My Mission is complete!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DigitalVirtuoso wrote:
Very Happy If I made someone laugh today. My Mission is complete!


Was it a kamikaze mission?

Because that would make my day.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DigitalVirtuoso wrote:
The Mass Murderers there use Innocent people as Human Sheilds. Do US soldiers use human sheilds? Innocent people?

The purpose of the bomb sent is to kill a Them Thar Evil doer, whom sends unconvential weapons and uses unconvential means to kill civilians and soldiers, not giving a shit which it kills... Some of those groups targeted specific ethnic groups as well, attacking specific muslim factions. If we are being world police in that reigon, should we let them keep doing that?

Honestly, everyone is in the wrong, BUT we target the guys who target innocent people.

I understand your view on the situation, and I don't like the fact innocent people die because of war, but I really think the ends will justify the means.


So, our killing of innocent people isn't purposeful because... we feel bad after we do it? Also, I'm WAY SUPER DUPER curious what you think the "ends" are going to be here.

Your posts are fascinating to respond to because they seem to lack even the faintest ghost of conceptual cohesion. It's honestly quite amazing you've gone this far into the thread without accidentally grasping hold of a unifying point of some kind. So much for the law of averages.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: bla bla logikul fallsie Reply with quote

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The purpose of the bomb sent is to kill a Them Thar Evil doer, whom sends unconvential weapons and uses unconvential means to kill civilians and soldiers, not giving a shit which it kills... Some of those groups targeted specific ethnic groups as well, attacking specific muslim factions. If we are being world police in that reigon, should we let them keep doing that?


All of your supporting arguments are false dilemma. In this case, it's specifically egregius, since it implies the use of age-old wonkitudinal logic: "It's fine for us to do terrible things to them, since they'd do the same or worse to us."
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maniac_wolfman wrote:
DigitalVirtuoso wrote:
Very Happy If I made someone laugh today. My Mission is complete!


Was it a kamikaze mission?

Because that would make my day.


Well, you have to make your mark somehow. And what better way, then to go down in flames on a Kamakazi mission!


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DigitalVirtuoso wrote:
The purpose of the bomb sent is to kill a Them Thar Evil doer, whom sends...


hyper-correction is one of the telltale signs of ultrabullshit.

if you learn to watch out for hypercorrection, you might be able to avoid some of the ultrabullshit.

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