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Hypothetical "What do you save" situation
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Which do you save?
The Human
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The Collected Works of Shakespeare
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thewaitersitsondown



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love shakespeare with all my heart, I think he is brilliant and I've thoroughly enjoyed everything I've ever read or seen by him. Moreover, he is an important link to the past, showing us that many of the same basic drives and ways of thinking that define us now were just as important hundreds of years ago. While so many works of literature from the same time period would show us how much we've grown and changed, Shakespeare shows us what things are eternal.
I would save the human.
Shakespeare is vitally important, and there are 7 billion people on this planet. I would rather lose one person and keep Shakespeare. It would be better. But I would not let the person die. First, because I would not be capable of it--one has to see a lot of death before one is capable of allowing someone to die, and I have not. It's easy to say that you would let the person die, but it would be extremely difficult to do without being very hardened or a sociopath.
Second, I feel that caring for and helping each other is one of those eternal human qualities, and it would be cowardly and stupid of me to give up that quality for proof of that quality's importance.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nemini wrote:
The Collected Works of Shakespeare, of course.

I mean, there are 6 billion humans on the goddamn planet. And we are already growing too fast. So I will do humanity a favor AND save a cultural heritage of immense importance.

@cletusowns:
A human life is worth something? I think you are mistaken MONEY for HUMAN LIFE. MONEY is worth something. HUMAN LIFE is worth NOTHING.


And money is? Paper with no real value except what other people set it at? Gimme a break. Human life is the only thing on the planet with real value. How much money would you take to let someone kill you? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, that's just stupid. if you are going to let someone kill you, why would you want money?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
well, that's just stupid. if you are going to let someone kill you, why would you want money?


Exactly. Life is always more important than money. Wanting to save a book over a human life is beyond moronic. Infact, I will go so far as to say that anyone who claims they would save Shakespeare is a liar and whoever said they would sacrifice themselves instead of burning a book needs to stop intellectually masturbating themselves over a book and get a grip.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah, but the question was saving another person, not yourself.

and i don't say money is worthless - in fact, it's almost impossible to live without it. but if i have already decided not to live, i don't need money.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

however, i could sell the book...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cletusowns wrote:
and whoever said they would sacrifice themselves instead of burning a book needs to stop intellectually masturbating themselves over a book and get a grip.


You men have your porn and magazines, don't take away my female right to masturbate over romance novels and whatever else is phoenetically stimulating. =b
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone casting aspersions on Mr Shakespeare’s talent can just go and fuck themselves right now. I came to Shakespeare entirely neutral and…christ, some of his plays, they describe the human experience with such utter clarity and beauty. I’d go so far as to say I think Shakespeare’s works have saved people’s lives, and would continue to do so if I preserved the book.

So I thought about this seriously, but it has to be the human

There will be other great works, the same ideas will find form in print again, but that person will never be again, they're a one of a kind, and more importantly that person actually feels and values life, they're a person. The book is an object. I can live with destroying a beautiful creative work, I couldn't live with murder.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the entire cannon of work influenced by and directly referencing or quoting Shakespeare gonna go, too? Because, after all, he's not just a great playwright, but also a cornerstone of Western psychology (no Shakespeare, no Freud, whatever your opinions on Freud it's a big loss), not to mention the English language. What about Ten Things I Hate About You? The poetry of Eliot? Rosencrantz & Guildernstern Are Dead?

Doesn't matter anyway, since all Will's good work was written by the Earl of Oxford ... (no, I don't really believe that).
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ideas would have come from somewhere else then. I firmly believe that great leaps will show up no matter what. If one person doesn't do it, another will. Perhaps it would be better of the first person started the leap but the leap will still happen.

I'd save the human.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asking what would happen if you removed all references to Shakespeare is like asking what would happen if you travelled back in time and killed Hitler. The changes he's made are so wide and subtle that the result would not be our world.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teh Digital Dragon wrote:
Asking what would happen if you removed all references to Shakespeare is like asking what would happen if you travelled back in time and killed Hitler. The changes he's made are so wide and subtle that the result would not be our world.


I agree entirely, and that is why I think this 'hypothetical question' is complete and utter bone.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most hypothetical questions are complete and utter bone, but I think we all understand the principal behind the practical reality of what we’re being asked.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teh Digital Dragon wrote:
Asking what would happen if you removed all references to Shakespeare is like asking what would happen if you travelled back in time and killed Hitler. The changes he's made are so wide and subtle that the result would not be our world.

But I bet you that sooner or later a "Holocaust" would happen, some country would try to take over the world (only to be beaten by Russian winters), and a scapegoat would come to light that could be killed in every video game without guilt.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teh Digital Dragon wrote:
Most hypothetical questions are complete and utter bone, but I think we all understand the principal behind the practical reality of what we’re being asked.


I understand, I just think the seeming constant raft of qualifiers offered by the author are an attempt to make us feel bad for selecting one option over another, despite anyone's earnest arguments to the contrary.

It's a baited trap of complete and utter bone.
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