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Sojobo



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bebop is not merely "good for its time."
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a lack of character developement in champloo? i dare to doubt!
itīs just the opposite, i had a deep connection to jin, mugen and fuu compared to spike and jet.
I think which one of those shows u like better depends on the prefered scenario, and although the CB-headhunter-future-world īs cool with me, that wacky hiphop-japan owns it. IMHO!

edit: robo, u like SC, i guess? i also liked the idea of seeing a "normal" trio without any mystic bloodlines, attatched wings or superpowers on a quest with a background thats totally comprehensible. of course, u have that in CB, too. elsewhere itīs rather rare.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a deep connection to Mugen, then you are a psychopath. There is no subtlety in him.

And it is always a weak move to appeal to "prefered scenario." Such arguments are meaningless. The same kind of statement could justify DBZ over DB.

Quality exists.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BS.

of course i can like something because i like the scenario. how do u explain the existence of genres like S-F? myriads of people catch new content bcz itīs similar to the other things theyīve seen.

the quality of SC and CB is the same.
itīs your problem if you can only accept characters who are "subtle".
but please: explain to me the difference between faye and mugen.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

phuemarley wrote:
of course i can like something because i like the scenario.

I didn't say you couldn't.

phuemarley wrote:
how do u explain the existence of genres like S-F?

wtf?

phuemarley wrote:
myriads of people catch new content bcz itīs similar to the other things theyīve seen.

which has nothing to do with quality.

phuemarley wrote:
the quality of SC and CB is the same.

How can you possibly say this after so firmly implying that genre preference is the most important criterion?

phuemarley wrote:
itīs your problem if you can only accept characters who are "subtle".

I do not accept only characters who are subtle.

phuemarley wrote:
but please: explain to me the difference between faye and mugen.

1) Irrelevant. My comment about Mugen was response to your stated "deep connection" with him. Faye could also be a shallow character and it would have nothing to do with my comment.

2) Faye is frequently shown as lonely, vulnerable, desperate. She is constantly struggling with the balance between needing Spike and Jet's companionship and fearing to open up too deeply lest she get hurt yet again.

Mugen likes to fight.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

grats to your quoting abilities, i could never do that so fast.
since u are also the highest instance in defining quality, i draw back in disgrace.

i will fulfill your expectations now:
S4mur4i Ch4mpl00 r0x bcz it has coolest swordfights! yey! Very Happy

mugen is shown as lost, an orphan who only lives on opportunism.
his sight on the world is changed by finding two persons that respect and like him for what he is. he wants to be a good guy, but is cought in his past. bla
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may be the very best judge of quality. Probably not, though. I was certainly not trying to claim such.

I think a discussion of whether SC or CB is the better cartoon is perfectly fair, though it would probably not achieve much. I don't think reducing that discussion to "your preferred genre decides which you like better" is a good move.

The reason I like CB better is because the characters are better developed. I think the deliberate (yang/yin)/(id/superego)-type balance between Mugen and Jin is why they develop so awkwardly.

I don't think the difference in character development makes CB objectively better.

(It's the music that does that.)

"yey!" was pretty tight. =)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aah, finally, a little peace. u are quite a hard nut to crack, sojobo. (as u already realized iīm not a native nglish speaker, so forgive me for my stupid methaphors. Wink )

i just loved samurai champloo, saw CB later on, and didnīt enjoy it as much, although i found the music combined with the drawings absoluteley great. i didnīt find any of the two shows lacking anything, both are perfectly composed opi magni. thatīs why i think itīs a question of genre-preference. iīt might be a too subjective conclusion, i will meditate a bit avout that. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: Cowboy Bebop has nothing to do with this Strip Reply with quote

Sorry to bust your bubble boys. But I like Cowboy Bebop as well but we are off the subject here. This is a thread about the creator's strip not an anime. Doesn't your discussion belong somewhere else?

Not meaning to be a meanie, but when I expect talk about the strip I hear this.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discussion about Cowboy Bebop belongs everywhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sojobo wrote:
Discussion about Cowboy Bebop belongs everywhere.


Would it belong in a gay bar about porno-movies??

or

Belong in a 4-year-old child's myspace that has no clue about the anime?

Clearly it doesn't belong Everywhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squirrel_In_My_Coffee wrote:
Belong in a 4-year-old child's myspace that has no clue about the anime?

I have read tens of thousands of myspace pages belonging to 4-year-old children, and can therefore tell you with unmatched authority that, yes, discussion about Cowboy Bebop belongs in each and every one one of them.

Squirrel_In_My_Coffee wrote:
Would it belong in a gay bar about porno-movies??

I do not know how a bar can be about movies.

But yes. Definitely.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Cowboy Bebop has nothing to do with this Strip Reply with quote

Squirrel_In_My_Coffee wrote:
Sorry to bust your bubble boys. But I like Cowboy Bebop as well but we are off the subject here. This is a thread about the creator's strip not an anime. Doesn't your discussion belong somewhere else?


Er.. You haven't been around these parts very long, have ya?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Cowboy Bebop has nothing to do with this Strip Reply with quote

MsFrisby wrote:
Squirrel_In_My_Coffee wrote:
Sorry to bust your bubble boys. But I like Cowboy Bebop as well but we are off the subject here. This is a thread about the creator's strip not an anime. Doesn't your discussion belong somewhere else?


Er.. You haven't been around these parts very long, have ya?

Yea, I'm thinking the same thing.
The one thing you should know about this forum is that any given forum will RARELY still be on topic by the 3rd page.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Cowboy Bebop has nothing to do with this Strip Reply with quote

Squirrel_In_My_Coffee wrote:
Sorry to bust your bubble boys. But I like Cowboy Bebop as well but we are off the subject here. This is a thread about the creator's strip not an anime. Doesn't your discussion belong somewhere else?


stfu, actually
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