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Dusty

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:29 am Post subject:

haha. i seem to piss people off without the intention too. i guess i should focus on peoples' inner beauty. going with this way of thinking, TAYLORBELL IS FUCKING HOT.

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:41 am Post subject:

Dusty wrote:

haha. i seem to piss people off without the intention too. i guess i should focus on peoples' inner beauty. going with this way of thinking, TAYLORBELL IS FUCKING HOT.

Will you shut up you stupid little teenage fuck? You're giving the rest of the underagers a bad name by being a complete douche all over the forum. Give it a break.
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Sam

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: Lake Wobegon is there too

Michigan is fine. It is a nice place. It is not a polar dystopia it is occasionally made out to be; it's actually a firm housing of about the most beautiful areas of the great lakes region. It's climate is dynamic and its ecology is robust. It's no more a boral wasteland than Texas is a chaparral wasteland. But, don't take my word on it! It's one of two American states I have yet to actually enter.

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject:

Varst Kolcimb wrote:

Dusty wrote:

haha. i seem to piss people off without the intention too. i guess i should focus on peoples' inner beauty. going with this way of thinking, TAYLORBELL IS FUCKING HOT.

Will you shut up you stupid little teenage fuck? You're giving the rest of the underagers a bad name by being a complete douche all over the forum. Give it a break.

Oh, don't worry Varst. We can tell the intelligent young'uns from the twits.

I didn't even realize Dusty was a teen, I just thought he was a twit.
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Dusty

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject:

Jinx wrote:

Varst Kolcimb wrote:

Dusty wrote:

haha. i seem to piss people off without the intention too. i guess i should focus on peoples' inner beauty. going with this way of thinking, TAYLORBELL IS FUCKING HOT.

Will you shut up you stupid little teenage fuck? You're giving the rest of the underagers a bad name by being a complete douche all over the forum. Give it a break.

Oh, don't worry Varst. We can tell the intelligent young'uns from the twits.

I didn't even realize Dusty was a teen, I just thought he was a twit.

17 bitches. im going to go hang out with some friends and smoke weed and deface property now. i hear thats what all the cool twits are doing.

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject:

One of my bestest buds in the world, Brian Adams (no relation to the canadian one) lives in Michigan. He got out of the navy and went to work for Ford. _________________ "Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid" ~ SGT John Stryker from "Sands of Iwo Jima".

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject:

Halfpint wrote:

Jinx wrote:

Varst Kolcimb wrote:

Dusty wrote:

haha. i seem to piss people off without the intention too. i guess i should focus on peoples' inner beauty. going with this way of thinking, TAYLORBELL IS FUCKING HOT.

Will you shut up you stupid little teenage fuck? You're giving the rest of the underagers a bad name by being a complete douche all over the forum. Give it a break.

Oh, don't worry Varst. We can tell the intelligent young'uns from the twits.

I didn't even realize Dusty was a teen, I just thought he was a twit.

Its Caffeine Addict. i think.

It is.
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Dusty

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject:

Varst has stated this several times.

Amilam

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject:

Yeah strangely I think I can comfortably live within those boundaries. _________________ "And then the sea was closed again, above us."

Jinx

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject:

Halfpint wrote:

Jinx wrote:

I didn't even realize Dusty was a teen, I just thought he was a twit.

Its Caffeine Addict. i think.

I thought so, too, at first. I was told it isn't. CA didn't drool all over Jen, did he?

I don't know if it was supposed to be a subtle clue, a slip, or just a coincidence, but

In the pointless thread, Dusty wrote:

you old people and your caffeine addiction.

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject:

John Mytton wrote:

trustedfaith wrote:

John Mytton wrote:

Why would anyone want to live in Michigan?

Why would anyone want to live in Texas?

Because it's not an industrialized Siberia?

You really have never been to the UP have you.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:04 pm Post subject:

trustedfaith wrote:

John Mytton wrote:

trustedfaith wrote:

John Mytton wrote:

Why would anyone want to live in Michigan?

Why would anyone want to live in Texas?

Because it's not an industrialized Siberia?

I think I'll choose "industrialized Siberia" (although it's not) over a republican state that once elected Dubyah as their governor. =D

i'm sorry, but this is incorrect.

they did it twice.

(and i'm glad you have a congressman who stands up for things like not simply "staying the course" in iraq. too bad there aren't more like that. maybe in a few months....)
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:12 am Post subject:

Sam wrote:

Michigan is fine. It is a nice place. It is not a polar dystopia it is occasionally made out to be; it's actually a firm housing of about the most beautiful areas of the great lakes region. It's climate is dynamic and its ecology is robust. It's no more a boral wasteland than Texas is a chaparral wasteland.

But, don't take my word on it! It's one of two American states I have yet to actually enter.

Michigan has a lot of nice places here. It's far from the "industrial Siberia" stereotype and a lot of other stereotypes it's acquired over time. I've put together a bunch of interesting photos, links, and information for you guys to check out and learn a bit more about Michigan. Enjoy.

The UP is gorgeous, and when fall comes around the leaves changing colors is spectacular:

Michigan Fall Colors Photo #1

Michigan Fall Colors Photo #2

Michigan Fall Colors Photo #3

We also have waterfalls here as well, they're called Tahquamenon Falls.

We have places like Mackinac Island (pronounced Mack-in-aw) where you can't drive any cars. Only bikes and horses/carriages will take you around the island. There's museums and forts (Fort Mackinac) that explain the history of fur trading and the battles there.

There are only four (I think) military cemetaries in the U.S. that fly their flags at half mast 24/7 and the one on Mackinac Island is one of the four, and also the smallest (about the size of an average backyard). For comparison, Arlington is also another one of the four military cemetaries.

They also have the best fudge there in the world. They have the only highway in the U.S. that has never had an accident. And that's because only bikes can ride on it -- although it is an actual, official, highway.

When you're there, check out the Grand Hotel, it has a history all on its own. It's the most expensive but most spectacular hotel there.

There's a place here called Sleeping Bear Dunes. Which are sand dunes and a fun place to run up and down the hills. They also have some really awesome scenery about them as they're right by the lake.

We are the great lakes state, and the lakes with their scenery are pretty captivating. Here's some cool photos to check out of the lakes:

Lake Superior (that's castle rock btw)

Lake Michigan

Lake Huron

Lake Erie

There a couple of breathtaking bridges here in Michigan as well. The first one is the Mackinac Bridge.

Some random facts about the Mackinac Bridge:

1. It links the lower pennisula to the upper pennisula.

2. The length is five miles.

3. They began construction on May 7, 1954 and it was open to traffic November 1, 1957.

The second bridge is the Ambassador Bridge.

Some random facts about the Ambassador Bridge:

1. The Ambassador Bridge is North America's #1 international border crossing.

2. It spans the Detroit River, connecting Detroit, Michigan with Windsor, Canada.

3. Approval for the Ambassador Bridge was granted by acts of both the Congress of the United States and Canada's Parliament.

4. At the time of its completion in November of 1929, the Ambassador Bridge was the longest suspension bridge in the world, exceeding by 100 feet the Philadelphia-Camden Bridge completed in 1926.

And then of course there's Detroit...

Here's an excerpt from my LJ of a write up I did on Detroit (before the Superbowl):

Quote:

I won't be one of those people that says Detroit sucks. I never will. But I won't be one of those people that say something is awesome, that has the potential to be, but hasn't hit the mark by far -- not yet.

Detroit saddens me, because it's hard to listen to stories from your grandparents who tell you how beautiful of a city it once was. It's insane to think when they point to the 25 cent porn store, that it used to be the block's ice cream parlor. Days ago my grandparents used to shop at the old Hudson's building that they tore down without any heart. Or the train station that only remains an eye sore to the city because no one has the heart to tear it down, but yet don't want to invest any money in rennovating it. Though, the last I heard, a company finally stepped up to the plate and said they were going to turn it into something. Personally, I would like it to be a train station again, but I'm no one of influence.

We don't even have any idea or money for what to do with Tiger Stadium. Again, no one wants it tore down, but no one wants to invest in it. And again, I personally would like it rennovated, and be a place where the Tiger's play, but that's not going to happen. At the very least, it would make for a good venue for shows and concerts. Maybe I'll write the city about that.

When most people think of Detroit, they think of the ghetto. They think of its crime rate and murder counts. They think of how many black residents it has. And they also think of all the boarded up buildings, houses, and vacant lots littered with trash. I'd be lying if I said they were wrong in what they're thinking about. But that's not the -only- parts of Detroit. And every city has a ghetto. We're no different from anyone else in that regard. Ours is just bigger, and we've held a bad reputation for far too long.

And when you get that bad reputation, it makes for bad tourism business. People get it in their head that because Detroit has a decent size ghetto to it, that's all it is. They never take a look at how beautiful and fun our downtown is. We have skyscrapers too. We have a business and a theatre district (and more to name). We have lots of stadiums, arenas, and conference halls. We have casinos (and I'll get to that in a minute).

Detroit Districts

We have the DIA (Detroit Institute of Arts) which actually is one of the top art museums in the country. In fact, you'd be surprised at just how many priceless art pieces it holds. It even has works of Picasso. And the price is pretty exceptional. All they ask is for is a donation -- of any kind, and you can walk the enormous halls of it. They're currently putting some multi-million dollar addition to it.

We have the Science Center which is the science version of the DIA. It takes you through all sorts of sciene stuff, gadgets, thingamajigs, experiments, etc. Inside is one of those theatres that are set on an angle with a screen that covers the room like a half-globe. Remember those movies where you feel like you're on the roller coaster? It's that sort of set up.

We have the Detroit Library right across the street from the DIA. And if you've never been to an older library, they're actually pretty neat to check out. The Detroit Library has some of the most beautiful murals and architecture to please your eyes along with three floors of wall to wall books.

We have our own Greektown with several different greek restaurants to feed your ethnic appetite with some of the most delicious food around. And if you ever get the chance to go down to Niki's, get a slice of their pizza. It's delish.

While we don't have a subway system, we do have our own mini-version of the "L" like Chicago has. I don't know the history well enough off hand, but the story I was told was that we had planned on having one like the "L" but it went way over budget, and thus, it was only a small area it covered. Our version is called the "People Mover". It's elevated so that it actually runs through buildings like Cobo Arena (it drops you off inside of it). It's great for when you want to go to a show downtown but can't find a parking spot near the venue. Each stop is by a parking lot, so you can drop off your car and hop on the People Mover to take you closer without having to walk.

Back to the casinos. For years the option of putting casinos downtown was always put on the ballot to vote on. And it always was a close vote, but always got voted down in the end. Finally, it won by a percentage of under 3%. Three casinos went up about 5 or so years ago. Their names: "MGM Grand", "Greektown Casino", and "Motor City Casino". They're all a hop skip and a jump from each other. And while Detroit is no Vegas, they're all pretty snazzy and 2-3 floors a piece.

Downtown Detroit is off of the Detroit river. You can see our skyline from it, it's quite the eyecatcher. Across from us, on the other side, is Canada -- Windsor to be exact. They also have casinos along the waterline. There are two different ways to cross the river to get to Canada. The first would be the Ambassador Bridge, which is also an eye catcher. The second, would be the tunnel. I'm not sure how many cities have actual tunnels under large masses of water to get to the other side, but I don't think it's very common. Of course, I could be wrong. But at any rate, it's about 10 minutes to the other side (give or take traffic). They also have duty free shopping at both.

Recently they added a place called Campus Martius Park, which is an outdoor gathering place. It holds a cafe, an outdoor ice skating rink that you can skate on, fountains, monuments, stores, stages for shows, and grounds for people to use.

One of the most famous parts of Detroit is the Motown Museum. This gives everything you ever wanted to know about the history of Motown music with some pretty nifty items, and sights for you to view while you're there. You can also watch movies there. The place itself is pretty small for something like this, but it's a treasure to Detroit and I believe still funded by Mr. Michael Jackson himself.

We have tons of festivals. From the Jazz Festival, to the Detroit Electronic Music Festival (though it gets renamed each year). A lot of these are held down in Hart Plaza. Hart Plaza is an open space/park downtown located just right off the Detroit river. Lots of ethnic festivals are held there as well.

Apparently we're second to Broadway in how many theatre seats we offer in our city. Though I've never personally had the chance to check out our theatre district, if anyone is into this sort of atmosphere, you'll find it in Detroit. From the State Theatre to the Fox Theatre, we like our shows, plays and even our orchestra. We have our very own Detroit Symphony Orchestra.

We even have our own breweries! And I've been to a few of them, they're great. Unfortunately some have closed down and no longer brewing. But I pulled some links for the ones that are here still, and have great beer. There is a brewery that is outside of Detroit in Kalamazoo called Bell's Beer that you should check out too. We love Bell's Beer here. But for the ones that don't have links, there is a Stroh's Brewery here, and a St. Ide's Brewery here.

Motor City Beer
Atwater Beer
Woodward Avenue Brewers

There are things to do outside the city as well. Located in the suburbs outside of Detroit, you'll find places like our Detroit Zoo. The Detroit Zoo is a pretty huge zoo. From traveling and checking out other zoos, I've yet to find one as big as ours. Now that's not saying ours is the biggest, I know there are zoos that are bigger than ours. But we have a lot of cool things at ours. We have the butterfly garden, where you can walk amongst butterflies flying all around you. We have the polar circle that lets you use a camera to zoom in on the Polar bears. It also lets you walk under water to watch the seals swim above you. We have a whole house devoted to amphibians. And we have breathtaking sights like our bear fountains.

Another historical place to visit just outside of Detroit is our Greenfield Village. The name in and of itself seems rather bland, but it has to be one of the coolest places to go -- especially if you're into history. They have all sorts of old historical buildings, furniture, items, tools, clothes, cars, etc for you to check out. You walk through them and see the original things of that time. They employ people to use the tools and/or machines from that era as well. From looms, to blacksmithing. And the biggest attraction there are the original cars when they were invented. You'll see the original Ford cars from all sorts of eras. You can also ride the train that runs through it.

There is a lot of things to do here, but unfortunately, people only see the bad. And the funny thing is, when I bring friends around from out of town here, they immediately change their mind about the D. They see it the way we see it, something to love.

As promised earlier, I wouldn't say it's awesome. We have a lot of problems. Most of them are financial. We have a huge deficit and a non-functioning city council with a crooked mayor that somehow conned the people to vote him back in. This is nothing new to Detroit. For YEARS, Coleman Young was mayor and he was one of the most crooked politicians known to Detroit. But he conned the people into believing in him, and he did nothing for Detroit.

Case and point, we have this thing here called "Devil's Night" the night before Halloween. It's the night to do bad things, like egg houses, egg cars, toilet paper houses and yards, etc. This can go to extremes and in Detroit for years under Young's rule, people would burn down buildings and houses. This got pretty bad and it was up to the hundreds of how many buildings/houses would get burnt down each year. When Mayor Dennis Archer came in to office, he created the "Angel's Night" campaign. He got thousands of volunteers to patrol the streets to prevent the fires. Since then, there have been no fires.

Detroit is on the brink of receivership because of its financial woes. Police, teachers, city workers, all being laid off left and right because the city just can't pay them anymore. With no realistic budget and empty promises of a crooked Mayor who used city funds (petty cash), and charged the city for his trips to Vegas, there isn't much option in sight. But maybe that's what the city needs. An outside force to get it on track. And maybe then, the city can be up to par with the potential it has. It needs something because it continues to raise the city taxes on its residents without offering them a good reason why, except for debt, and Detroit keeps losing its residents to the outside suburbs.

We're hosting the Super Bowl this year. So they're currently in a rush to purdify the city for out of towners who will be staying here to watch it. The Super Bowl will be at Ford Field which was just recently built for the new home of the Lions (not like it's going to help much, the Lions still suck).

People from Detroit are very defensive about their city. And while you will hear a Detroiter talking shit about it when they're pissed off, it's like when someone talks shit to your little brother. No one else can do it, only -you- can. And it's the same line of thinking.

But if you actually take the time to look at the good about Detroit, and that it has the potential to be great again, like the days of my grandparents, you might reconsider your stereotypical thoughts that it is nothing but a ghetto. I love Detroit, and so should you.

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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:34 am Post subject:

High five to Jen for giving props to her state. I know people have moved to IL from nicer places and hate it and that's understandable but really, it bugs me when people insult Illinois without ever having come here. There really is some wonderful stuff here. _________________ Way to kill the conversation, Patty.- Trevor

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