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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, no doubt. I think it's abominable pretty much across the board what people are paid. I just mentioned 'flipping burgers' because that's usually what people against raising minimum wage bring up. Also, I wouldn't consider most jobs in a hospital to be "office work", and Gary's comment reminds me of how pissed off I get when people would whine that "OMG you didn't say NSFW!" In the job fields he's referencing you're often micromanaged every minute of your day and have little or no access to leisure activities, even during lunches.

Also, I laugh at people's ignorance that 'working at McDonald's isn't a career' because that's inherently bullshit. Some people are simply dumb and unskilled--for some people working at Mc'D's (or an equivalent entry level position) is literately the best they're ever going to be able to do. I'm not saying it as an insult, but it's a harsh reality. There's this myth that working harder will reward you but that started dying about 30-40 years ago and flatlined within the last decade.

Think of it this way: If a person does their job really well, shouldn't they be compensated for it? At the very least, so long as the company itself is growing, shouldn't their be a regular cost of living increase?

Let me change this to something I know A LOT about: Take being a ski lift operator. I have literately trained dozens (if not hundreds) of people how to do this job. It takes about half an hour or so of training to learn the basics, but to do it excellently requires a specific skill set. While needing to be barely literate, it takes alertness, attentiveness, general people skills, and some degree of physical fitness, especially the ability to work extended periods of time in the sub freezing temperatures, in rain or snow. If someone does this poorly, at minimum you lose a customer, on average that's around $100 per person (about $48 profit), which doesn't include an average spending of around $20 per person on food (at around $18 profit). At worse, someone goes to the hospital, or possibly the morgue. As for the company, say hello lawsuits and bad press.

I've seen people risk their lives not only just trying to get to and from work, but also risking themselves while saving kids who slipped off their seat and were dangling from chair lifts. But you know what? regardless of effort, experience, or general aptitude for their position, there was no extra incentive. Have you done this job for three, four, or eight seasons? Well, tough shit, you're still getting +$.25 over minimum wage, regardless of how well you do your job. NO ONE GOES SKIING WITHOUT RIDING SKI LIFTS. Lifts require a minimum of three people to operate. Should a job that essential to a business be only worth $10 more a week than the kid who helps park cars or takes out the trash? What about when the resort reports to the local paper that they are consistently having "record attendance", which means the lift operator has to worker harder. Oh yeah, the position is seasonal SO it's overtime exempt by law i.e. no time and a half, double time, or any of that, even on Christmas and New Years.

Generally speaking, if you're working directly with other humans, you're probably getting underpaid, and worse grossly undervalued. This would apply to a wide variety of fields from healthcare to education, customer service to retail, food service to hospitality, etc.

Pay everyone more, everyone spends more, everyone wins. Also, generally speaking, you have better, more skilled workers. Especially on the low end since it pretty much all goes right back into the economy, usually locally to boot.

tl;dr Shitty employers screw over everyone.

ALSO: IN MOST STATES, AND BY FEDERAL LAW, EMPLOYERS DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE ANY SORT OF BREAKS INCLUDING FOR LUNCH, WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF MINORS. http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/meal.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would teach for free, but society says there's a cost to living.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elementary school teachers are at the top of my list of underpaid peoples. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eureka00 wrote:
I would teach for free, but society says there's a cost to living.




Will Do Maths For Food
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Will Teach Maths For Food


Fixed. Doing Maths For Food would imply that I'm a bookkeeper or mathematician. "Those who can't, do; and those who can, teach." That's how it goes right? Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant me


although, as far as teaching maths goes, I'm willing to teach college-age people but no younger please I don't want to deal with that

never again

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heretical Rants wrote:
I meant me


although, as far as teaching maths goes, I'm willing to teach college-age people but no younger please I don't want to deal with that

never again

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Oh lol, sorry about confusion. Just remember, they can smell fear. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

also, they'll let me teach the calculus, but I'm not certified to teach little kids

sooooooo
my only experience with that is tutoring younger students when I was in high school
which wasn't too bad, but I didn't have to deal with entire classrooms of the little stinkers
no more than 3 at a time

and, in a sense, I did do it directly for food
sometimes with house-call tutoring their parents would feed me
and other times I was a glorified baby-sitter

and other times
"Do math!"
kid: "I don't wanna! Do it for me! That'll be easier for both of us!"
aaaaaaaaaaaa *screams internally*

Here, I'll let Tom Hiddleston express my emotions for me

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My father just sent me this email:
Quote:
>> This is going to be a difficult email to write.
>>
>> Since coming over to Australia and seeing the extent of the problems you have and the terrible ramifications I can see, I feel I must attempt to show what I am feeling.
>> I have spent many hours on the internet as well as just thinking. I have 50 years more experience of real life than you and I can tell you this has more problems in it than anything else I have seen.
>>
>> So far it seems many are trying to understand and sympathise with your condition but I cant see anyone telling you how its going to affect the people closest to you and what to expect as you go through life.
>> I don't want to change you into something you don't want to be, but I believe at almost 20 you now need to take full responsibility for your life and the decisions you make.
>> This means going out into the world, earning a living and looking after yourself. So far in your life you have not done that, not even a part time job. This is probably my fault as I felt that as you was doing so well at school that your future would be assured and working would be a distraction.
>> The two people in this world that care about you the most are Deb and I and if we don't use the vast experience we both have plus our love for you then we are failing in the obligation to our child.
>>
>> If I understand what I know so far, you want to mutilate a perfectly healthy body with breast removal then pump yourself full of male hormones that have huge risks to your health for the rest of your life. All this decided at 19 years of age, with almost no experience of life, work, relationships and whats it like to survive out there.
>> I believe you see life through your computer and use that as your window on the world. While I know the information out there is unlimited I also know you tend to follow a theme that suits your thinking, I do it too. If I am searching on the internet on your condition I would be looking under, dangers for transgender's, dangers of taking testosterone, success or failures of transgender's and their relationships.
>> The chances of having a fulfilling successful life for anyone is hard enough, with the issues you will be dealing with I think it will take a small miracle. Thats not to say it cant be done but thats going to be up to you. If I was in your situationI would
>> be
>> meeting
>> dozens
>> of
>> transgender's face to face (not on line) and try and go with them to their hangouts homes etc and see how they live, what they have experienced and most of all are they truly happy and have no regrets. What you are proposing is life changing and your decision has to be right so every angle needs to be looked at.
>>
>> I still don't even know when you started to feel this way. I have seen no signs of masculine behaviour in the past and frankly other than the way you dress, none now.
>> I still don't understand why if you are gender neutral that you want to be male, why does it matter to you?
>> Physically you are all female,you seem to think and react like a female you have beautiful skin a pretty face and even with testosterone you will still be five foot tall with a slight build, facial hair will not make you easily accepted by males, and from what I have read the percentage of transgenders attacked, molested and abused is very high, sadly some people are very cruel.
I do appreciate that if your mind is truly male it must be hell to deal with, I think one of natures meanest tricks.


>> What you are proposing is undoable and, in my experience in life, having options is essential. Things can go wrong in what you are considering and you could easily be left hanging somewhere in the middle with huge physiological implications.
>> I am fully aware that gender is in the mind and I guess you want to match it, that saddens me as I saw that you could be a strong ,successful woman of the future, do you believe you will be a strong successful man and more importantly, truly happy. Maybe your vision of the future would help me understand, or perhaps you don't feel I need to know.
>>
>> I have little faith in physiologists and similar, they give out platitudes in their highly paid one hour sessions and if your life goes to hell in a hand basket are they going to be there every day to help pick up the pieces for the rest of your life? Their timing is always very good though especially after 55 minutes as they ease you to the door ready for their next customer.

>> I have seen some of your recent school work and while I think you have ability I haven't seen anything that makes me feel that you are going to walk into a job and succeed in your chosen field. I have the feeling a lot of your energy goes into this online LGBT lifestyle rather than study. To me I cant see another year in Uni is going to be any kind of benefit at this stage. Getting out there , finding a job moving out from Deb and living amongst your peers and getting your issues sorted the way you want would seem to be more important at this stage.
>>
>> The results you were getting from high school would have allowed you to take on many professions that are in high demand and well paid, but to you perhaps that was mundane. Because of the difference in the way I was brought up I would have taken the career that would allow me to pay rent, food, clothes etc and had my passion as a hobby that perhaps later from a secure position I would change later.
>>
>> If what you say is true you are not even going to fit in with the gay and lesbian community if, as you say,you are gender neutral. This could make it very hard to have any partner in life to share life's experiences. You seem to be comfortable to be a loner and don't seem to easily socialise or perhaps thats only when you are with me, I really don't know.
>> When I tried to talk to you several times I could see you were getting emotional and upset and similar when we were talking to Matt, so I know very little about your true feelings and aspirations.
>>
>> Another issue that I want to bring up is your mother. from what I understand in the middle of her cancer treatment she was worrying about your gender issues etc. Was you caring for her in the same way? It would seem that selfishness seems to go hand in hand with gender issues, is it really ďall about meĒ or does some caring come from you occasionally.

>> In the last year I can count the number of emails from you on one hand. Certainly not anything personal. I tended to wait and see if that was a pattern as I thought maybe you had issues with me and didn't want to upset you. In hindsight I think you just get wrapped up in your own world and there is really no room for any one else. I observed similar behaviour even when you were here where most of your time was spent in your room alone with your computer.
>> I know Deb is very stressed over your issues, but what you must understand is she is only in remission from a life threatening disease and stress and worry can bring back the disease in spades, it would be nice to think you could show you care in many ways, help her, give her some of the care and attention she gives you. If there is an upside to your condition tell her about it, some positives would help her feel better.
>>
>> This letter is negative in tone but that does not mean I don't love you as I always have, but you must also understand what you are doing. You want to kill my daughter in one way or another and you (maybe) want me to love something else that you want to create, I think I am too old and set in my ways to ever see you as my son, I would try and accept whatever you become but it would never be the same. If you want me to try and understand your position you need to try and understand mine and Debs as well.
>> As you have never been a parent I guess its hard for you to put yourself in our shoes and say how would I react,Imagine the
>> disappointment Deb feels knowing she will never see a grandchild. perhaps transgenders don't think in the same way as mainstream and you will simply say I will support 100% her no matter what the risks and ramifications are.
>>
>> In conclusion, I need to state my position.
>> I will not be financing any surgical or chemical procedures you want, I will ask Deb to do the same.
>> If you want them you will need to earn the money to pay for them.
>> I think you should finish Uni this year or the very least have a gap year and show you can look after yourself
>
>> If you want to discuss these issues in depth not matter how emotional you or I or Deb become then I think its a good idea. If you cant get your points across to the two people who care about you most in this world how are you going to get anything across to people who don't give a damn about you, which is most of the rest of the world.
>>
>> I hope you understand my reasons for writing this letter.
>> If for some reason you think I am making matters worse and you don't want to communicate at all I will understand

>> Love
>> Dad


I had a panic attack and have been crying for the past hour or so. I'm talking about it with a really good (also trans*) friend on Facebook, but idk, I just feel like posting it here as some kind of "oh look, it got worse" kind of update.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh fuck.

<Gives Ennis a hug>

I have no idea what to say. That's just so full of emotional and financial blackmail that I don't know where to start tearing it apart.

All I will say is that if he's so set on stopping you from doing anything that might let you live in a way that makes you happy, then he gives less of a damn about you than any random stranger on the internet.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, that's... that's heartbreaking. I'm so sorry Ennis.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so sorry, Ennis.

Don't ever be afraid to message me if you need someone, I can give you other contact information, too, including phone numbers and whatever else.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so, so sorry, Ennis. If you ever need a break, my wife and I have an extra bedroom. We're a bit out of the way in the Riverina, but you'd be welcome to it for as long as you want.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry you have to deal with this Ennis. That's just... wow. And in an email, no less. Guilt tripping and financial threats, what a great way to say you love your child.

Stay strong, and remember there are tons of resources available out there if you need help in any way; including (iirc) financial resources for people who are looking for surgery/hormone treatment.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh god Ennis, that is horrible and I agree with everyone else.

You know what, I have a fulltime job so if you need money just open some kind of Paypal funding thing and I swear I'll donate because fuck, like you need this kind of shit.
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