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2007/12/17 - God Is Good
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YenTheFirst wrote:
KDX wrote:

Off the hook until you ask the obvious question. Whose fault is it they had free will in the first place? God. So in the end, it's a really amusing hypocrisy on the part of God to tell us not to be "bad" when he could have prevented the matter from coming up in the first place.

yes, one could have created a universe full of mindless obedient robots. Apparently that wasn't what was needed.

KDX wrote:

If you want to get even more specific, you could even say that the act of creating beings with free will and then setting them loose upon the world was the act of original sin. In essence, God commited the first act of evil when he created the potential for evil to exist.

And thus makers of guns or video games are evil, as they are creating a 'potential for evil'.

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Now that's just a scary notion.

meh.


Yeah, but God knew what would happen. It isn't like he couldn't oversee the consequences.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KDX wrote:
If you want to get even more specific, you could even say that the act of creating beings with free will and then setting them loose upon the world was the act of original sin. In essence, God commited the first act of evil when he created the potential for evil to exist.


If God is responsible for all evil, simply by allowing its possibility, the opposite is also true.

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If you want to get even more specific, you could even say that the act of creating beings with free will and then setting them loose upon the world was the act of original goodness. In essence, God commited the first act of goodness when he created the potential for goodness to exist.


Victimization cuts both ways.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

filecore wrote:
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Wither might I find your magical crystal ball wherein I can discern character traits via a fictional comic?


1) It's not a fictional comic. It's a real comic, portraying fictional characters.


lol wut?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the comic exists. its contents are fictional.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fixinal vs autobotigraphical?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

presumably, the purpose in granting free will to humans is to provide an opportunity to learn, in the hope that they eventually will acquire sufficient wisdom that they actively CHOOSE good because it is the appropriate (godlike) choice.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a wonder Seymour doesn't suffocate from having his head buried in...

...the sand all the time.

I was going to say something else, but didn't want to be too crude.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we just merge this into the Beautiful Disaster god-segue? I don't want to juggle two threads at once.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sure!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
sure!

Let's merge!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, michael, it's like almost 3 o'clock at night. Get some sleep.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh right!

what _was_ I thinking (slaps forhead)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm lost.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been fascinated with the biblical concept that the fall of man was the result of eating from the tree of knowledge. There also seems to be the implication that you can't be held accountable or even be accused of doing wrong if you lack the capacity to understand that you are doing wrong i.e. man wasn't naked and in sin until he realized he was naked.

What's also interesting is how this idea of knowledge being destructive and bad is repeated again and again in all sorts of cultures and settings. I mean, even HPL thought this, just look at my sig.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never thought that quote was saying knowledge itself was bad, merely that if man could correlate everything he'd learned together he'd realize how pointless it all is, or his head would explode, or something.

...Was I way off?
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