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kame



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But those children are the future! Won't someone please think of the children?!

Confused

Cognitively they're still children, if what I'm reading is correct.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

who are, the women or the men? or both?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lily wrote:
who are, the women or the men? or both?


exactly.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dro wrote:
Due process, etc etc.

Off-the-cuff reaction, not a solid statement of political views.

moron.

you too.

Who are you to talk, kettle?

Oh.


THIS is why I'm your sidekick Dro. <33333333333333333

As per usual, you made my day. *giggle*
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



I love Jeffrey.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must be getting jaded. That wasn't nearly as shocking as I thought it would be. I mean we live in a society where literally dozens of celebs have been accussed of rape, a good number of pedophilia, and seemingly more of them have been arrested for violence against women than those who haven't. Yet people still buy Kobe jerseys, R. Kelly albums, and watch movies by Roman Polanski. Go figure.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amilam wrote:
I must be getting jaded. That wasn't nearly as shocking as I thought it would be. I mean we live in a society where literally dozens of celebs have been accussed of rape, a good number of pedophilia, and seemingly more of them have been arrested for violence against women than those who haven't. Yet people still buy Kobe jerseys, R. Kelly albums, and watch movies by Roman Polanski. Go figure.


Artists with strange proclivities ... shocking ...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rape isn't a 'strange proclivity'. it's an act of violence.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On their way back inside, I ask one of them, a blonde in a turquoise miniskirt and now, of course, a hard-earned GGW hat, what they do when they are not on spring break. "We're grad students," she says, with only a slight slur. "It's sad. We'll have Ph.D.s in three years."

In what, I ask.

"Anthropology."


Oh man. that got a good laugh from me.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lily wrote:
rape isn't a 'strange proclivity'. it's an act of violence.


True, but I've seen this argument before. I choose not to consider the morality of the artist when viewing/listening to their works. For example, Miles Davis was a wife beater, it doesn't make him any less talented a jazz musician, or diminish the body of his work.

What I find annoying is the idea that I should devise some form of moral line, and not enjoy any artists' work that fails to measure up to that standard. There are just too many moral inconsistencies at work.

I'd go further into the moral inconsistencies of lumping Roman Polanski with R. Kelly and Kobe Bryant, but I fear my asbestos jacket is being drycleaned.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my issue is not with whether you choose to appreciate the artistic efforts of rapists. my issue is calling rape a 'strange proclivity'.

i am curious as to your moral differentiation between bryant, polanski and kelly. my guess is that you believe bryant to be falsely accused and kelly to be guilty only of statutory rape. am i right?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lily wrote:
that's the thing about being drunk -- it makes your judgment bad. and francis takes advantage of that by having them expose themselves and then sign waivers while they're drunk. i'm not saying these women have no responsibility here, but a lot of them are definitely being taken advantage of.


I 100% agree with you, Lily. They are being taken advantage of. What I meant about exercising judgement is to do so and not even be put in such situations. If you're an attractive young lady, it might not be a good idea to get plastered at Lake Havasu, or at a club without a bunch of friends that you don't absolutely trust and who aren't getting plastered themsevles.

If you're an attractive young lady who can't defend herself, please avoid dark alleys in bad neighborhoods.

If you're an attractive young man who can't defend himself, please avoid prison.

I think its bullshit that people can't go and have a good time without being preyed upon in various situations, but that seems to be the world we live in. Until the world starts to wake up and turn the shiv on fuckers like this, we need to prepare ourselves by avoiding situations like these at the cost of some personal enjoyment.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how about telling men to stop rape, instead of telling women to stay at home?

i honestly hear a hell of a lot more 'damn, women need to take responsibility and not get wasted' than i do 'damn, men need to stop raping women'. which is completely backwards.

i think the issue is that people feel like rapists are 'the other', that they're dark shady men who aren't going to listen if we tell them not to rape. the truth is that rapists are ordinary men, and you probably know a couple. i believe in working towards a culture in which men stop taking advantage of women rather than one in which women live in fear.

info sheet on things men can do to stop rape
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lily wrote:
how about telling men to stop rape, instead of telling women to stay at home?



I wasn't talking about rape, I was talking about about being preyed upon in general. But now that we are, I say that because I'm a realist. What good does it do for me to talk on a forum and tell men to stop raping? Is any of the potential rapists out there going to listen to me? Or are they going to ignore it and move on? On the other hand, maybe, just maybe some woman will take my advice and save themselves from a very horrible ordeal.

But for the sake of posterity:

STOP RAPING WOMEN, MEN. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AND POSITIVELY YOUR RESPONSIBILTY.

I would love that. Being a pragmatist, I don't see it happening, though.
My mother would often tell me when I was young that if I skittered about the world without protecting myself, that I'd be taken advantage of and that advice has never misled me.

There was also a Hindu man who spoke something that I'm about to really basterdize. It went something like "There is not enough leather to cover the face of the earth. However, there is no need for this. It is enough that there is sufficient to cover the soles of our feet"
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