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Secret

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Edwards drops out |
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Nytimes reports
| Quote: | Edwards Is Dropping Out
By Julie Bosman
NEW ORLEANS — Democratic candidate John Edwards has decided to drop out of the presidential primary race, giving a speech this afternoon at the same place where he began this campaign — in New Orleans.
Throughout this season, Mr. Edwards hasn’t been able to break through the dueling high-profile candidacies of Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama. And he had not been able to raise the kind of funds that those two had early on.
Top advisers said that Mr. Edwards would not be endorsing another candidate today when he makes his announcement at 1 p.m. On Tuesday, Mr. Edwards canceled events in Alabama and North Dakota, opting instead to fly to New Orleans late Tuesday night. His press aides told reporters that he would make a “major policy speech” on poverty, in the city where Mr. Edwards announced his candidacy in December 2006.
He placed a distant third last night in Florida’s primary. And even more disappointing, as a native of South Carolina, he finished in the mid-teens there, as Mr. Obama won overwhelmingly. Mr. Edwards had campaigned heavily in Iowa for months and months, fine-turning a populist message and issuing many proposals, including one on health care, long before his rivals issued theirs. In the caucuses, he finished second, but just around a percentage point ahead of Mrs. Clinton.
As the primary season headed toward Super Tuesday, and several of the big Southern states, Mr. Edwards was expected to draw a swath of white voters his way. |
Why, it's Super Tuesday in a week!
I was thinking that he should do this, but I didn't really imagine that he might.
He's a good man. He offered voters a third choice, and his populist message has had a positive effect on this race. I hope that he continues to be active after this takes effect.
I wonder who this will help? _________________
| rm wrote: | | the grail is patient. |
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Lemontree

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Obviously by now, its pretty doubtful that Clinton and Obama could work together as President and VP, regardless of who finally gets the nomination. So my hope from the last month of watching Edward's low polling.. is simply that he's a locked-in nomination for VP.
I think he'd be fantastic in the position.. which of course would also explain why he wouldn't be initially ready to support one candidate or another. Best to wait it out to see who's really going to come out ahead, then throw his support behind them to secure the VP nomination.
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Sam

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| The votes are anticipated to drift both ways, but there's also the matter of his essentially done everything but explicitly endorse Obama in the debates. |
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Secret

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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When and how so? _________________
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MsFrisby

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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I've also read somewhere that Edwards has no intention of accepting a VP position. It was either president or nothing for him. _________________ A person's character is their destiny. |
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Secret

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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...So we're going to have a black/female ticket?
Damn!
that's exclamatory, by the way _________________
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MsFrisby

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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er... I don't think that Obama will ask Clinton to be his running mate and I can't see her accepting. Neither can I see it happening the other way around. I think the VP will have to be someone who hasn't been running so far. _________________ A person's character is their destiny. |
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Secret

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not well versed in presidential campaign history. How much precedent is there? _________________
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Lemontree

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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I'm really surprised that Edwards wouldn't be interested in VP... and also a bit saddened.
Next up in my personal choice would be Richardson. What do you think the chances of that would be? |
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Sam

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Secret wrote: | | When and how so? |
Watch the democratic debates. At more than one point Clinton is visibly peeved that she's getting outright tag-teamed by Edwards and Obama.
Also there is negative a hundred percent chance that clinton or obama would take on the other as a running mate. it may be negative a billion chance though.
also why to watch the debates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzkJGJaR7bw |
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Secret

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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The Daily Show has me covered for amusing debate moments. _________________
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mouse

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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i'm rather bummed by this - but he's been really neglected in all the coverage of the race, at best just mentioned in passing. he's been coming up with good ideas, which is why i would like to see him have some sort of position...hm, maybe he could be secretary of something. i had hoped he would at least stick through the 5th, though - he's already on the ballots, might as well see what happens. technically, he's just suspended his campaign - wonder if he could come back if he wins big next week?...but he probably won't, which i guess is the point.
obama seems to have responded more graciously to edward's leaving than clinton did - which rather makes me prefer him to her.
as to vp, anyone who's been in the race - biden, richardson, heck even kucinich - could be in the running. or whoever gets the nod could pull the same trick bush did, and just pull in someone from wherever. the plan these days seems to be to come into the "nominating" convention with one person already clearly the choice, and let that person pick who they want - rather than 2nd chair be the result of negotiations at the convention.
the timing does seem a little odd, though - i was wondering if perhaps his wife's health had taken a turn for the worse, but she was apparently there for the speech. _________________ aka: neverscared! |
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Dogen

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Regardless of who takes the nomination at this point, one thing seems certain to me: in order to shore up the conservative leaning independents, the nominee will pick a white male as their running mate. There's precedent in Texas, with a latino and black candidate, where minority vote increased nominally while the white vote sky-rocketed - against the minorities and candidates. Most people claim the VP doesn't affect their vote, but Kerry took a bump in the polls when he selected Edwards - charisma to match his brains.
With that in mind, it seems likely that Clinton would want to pick someone who was considered a centrist, to allay fears of her "divisive" personality. That's unfortunate, because Clinton really isn't that far left. She's really Republican Lite, but them's the breaks.
Obama, on the other hand, while still picking a white male, will want someone who shores up the weaknesses highlighted in the primary. My pick? Wesley Clark. He's got the national security angle locked down, he has oodles of experience, and his politics aren't that far from Obama's own. |
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thewaitersitsondown

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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This seems kind of poorly written for being associated with the NYT.
Also, go Obama and I have nothing against Edwards. _________________ TORTOISE RUGBY. |
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Omega F

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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| Dogen wrote: |
Obama, on the other hand, while still picking a white male, will want someone who shores up the weaknesses highlighted in the primary. My pick? Wesley Clark. He's got the national security angle locked down, he has oodles of experience, and his politics aren't that far from Obama's own. |
I think you're right. I was thinking either Clark or Biden would be good options for him. And Edwards could be looking for something else, maybe attorney general. |
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