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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louisiana is out to protect consumers from milk that costs too little.

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For Lafayette stockbroker Kenneth Daigle, buying a gallon of milk is no longer the bargain it used to be on Tuesdays at Fresh Market.

The upscale supermarket chain yanked milk from its $2.99 once-a-week promotion after a state auditor objected to the low price. A gallon of whole milk was priced at $5.69 Thursday at the Fresh Market in Perkins Rowe.

State Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner Mike Strain said Fresh Market violated state regulations by selling milk below cost as part of a promotion.

The supermarket routinely sells a gallon of skim, 1 percent, 2 percent or whole milk for $2.99 on Tuesdays, limiting the quantity to four per customer.

State law requires retailers’ markups to be no less than 6 percent of the invoice cost after adding freight charges.


Thank heavens.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the fuck Egypt? More riots and death because . . . people were sentenced for being involved with rioting and death?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/26/egypt-riot-after-soccer-v_n_2557113.html

So hey, it's a bunch of funerals for people who died the other day, right? What's some more death?

http://news.yahoo.com/riots-over-egyptian-death-sentences-kill-least-32-005245042.html

I blame skinny jeans.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darqcyde wrote:
What the fuck Egypt? More riots and death because . . . people were sentenced for being involved with rioting and death?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/26/egypt-riot-after-soccer-v_n_2557113.html

So hey, it's a bunch of funerals for people who died the other day, right? What's some more death?

http://news.yahoo.com/riots-over-egyptian-death-sentences-kill-least-32-005245042.html

I blame skinny jeans.


Gee it's almost like we've seen this before.

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dozens of people have been killed over the past four days in protests his allies say are designed to overthrow him.


Pretty sure the last president said the exact same thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mindslicer wrote:
Louisiana is out to protect consumers from milk that costs too little.

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For Lafayette stockbroker Kenneth Daigle, buying a gallon of milk is no longer the bargain it used to be on Tuesdays at Fresh Market.

The upscale supermarket chain yanked milk from its $2.99 once-a-week promotion after a state auditor objected to the low price. A gallon of whole milk was priced at $5.69 Thursday at the Fresh Market in Perkins Rowe.

State Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner Mike Strain said Fresh Market violated state regulations by selling milk below cost as part of a promotion.

The supermarket routinely sells a gallon of skim, 1 percent, 2 percent or whole milk for $2.99 on Tuesdays, limiting the quantity to four per customer.

State law requires retailers’ markups to be no less than 6 percent of the invoice cost after adding freight charges.


Thank heavens.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Pricing out the competition unfairly is bad for consumers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

<random question directed at no one at all>

if gun control legislation has absolutely no effect on gun registration or ownership, why does it matter whether or not such a law is on the books? why put so much energy into stopping something that is meaningless?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
<random>

if gun control legislation has absolutely no effect on gun registration or ownership, why does it matter whether or not such a law is on the books? why put so much energy into stopping something that is meaningless?

</random>

Every single "gun nut" I've ever talked about this sort of thing with has pretty much given me the same "rationale": "First they'll take this and that. Then, before you know it, they'll outlaw guns altogether."

Basically, slippery slope fallacy.

It's compounded by a mindset along the lines of "locks only stop honest thieves" i.e. gun laws only effect law abiding gun owners, criminals will still get them if they want.

With the advent of 3D printers, this debate, IMO, is officially over. It is now ridiculously easy for a criminal enterprise to manufacture their own arms. Security experts have demonstrated this again and again.

Complete elimination of guns will only raise the demand for black market firearms. It's already happened in the UK.

Check my post here, watch at least the first video.

Honestly, I don't even care about this sort of thing anymore. Why? Until we completely reshape the way Americans' views on violence.

I'll sum the problem by looking at how we Americans rate our movies: "You can show ALOT of violence onscreen before it garners an R rating. You can even show people being killed if there's not blood or it's done in certain ways (such as off screen). Show too much flesh though, or say the phrase "shove it up your ass" (i.e. describing a sexual act) and your product, regardless of any other content or value it may have, instantly garners an R rating."
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the somewhat more rational lot of gun enthusiasts I've spoken the objection seems to be one of annoyance at the inconvenience and the rather difficult to disprove observation that they quite enjoy their guns without causing problems.

Of course, stopping the legislation isn't a priority for them but they are sympathetic to the group Darcyde mentioned in this regard. It seems to me that a small group of crazy people put in the energy and derive their funding to do so from the much larger group of non-crazies who just like to shoot guns. (I sympathize, shooting guns is really fun.)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snorri wrote:
Mindslicer wrote:
Louisiana is out to protect consumers from milk that costs too little.

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For Lafayette stockbroker Kenneth Daigle, buying a gallon of milk is no longer the bargain it used to be on Tuesdays at Fresh Market.

The upscale supermarket chain yanked milk from its $2.99 once-a-week promotion after a state auditor objected to the low price. A gallon of whole milk was priced at $5.69 Thursday at the Fresh Market in Perkins Rowe.

State Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner Mike Strain said Fresh Market violated state regulations by selling milk below cost as part of a promotion.

The supermarket routinely sells a gallon of skim, 1 percent, 2 percent or whole milk for $2.99 on Tuesdays, limiting the quantity to four per customer.

State law requires retailers’ markups to be no less than 6 percent of the invoice cost after adding freight charges.


Thank heavens.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Pricing out the competition unfairly is bad for consumers.


Without citing the law, what's unfair about it?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the problem is if one company gets big enough (or is backed by someone rich enough) to incur losses for a long period of time they can force competitors out of the market. This would grant them a monopoly, ultimately allowing a single investor to take control of an entire sector, which would let them up the prices again without the positive effects of a free market being able to bring it down.

This is the kind of stuff you need to do to implement capitalism (and one of the reasons you need a government - however small - with some real power in order to have a free market).

In addition, food production is so vital to a country's well being that most states take extra measures to protect the sector, so rules are always more stringent there (for better of for worse).

Another reason you need plenty of competition within the food-industry is damage control if one the companies does something catastrophically wrong.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I agree that monopolies aren't a good thing, that's not what was happening. This company wasn't incurring losses for a long period of time, they were selling one item below cost one day a week, with a limitation on how much each customer could buy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In gallons though... But yeah I agree it's not a very clear cut case. Maybe if you looked into the details you might find some reason why they decided what they did... (or maybe it's just plain stupid)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darqcyde wrote:
What the fuck Egypt? More riots and death because . . . people were sentenced for being involved with rioting and death?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/26/egypt-riot-after-soccer-v_n_2557113.html

So hey, it's a bunch of funerals for people who died the other day, right? What's some more death?

http://news.yahoo.com/riots-over-egyptian-death-sentences-kill-least-32-005245042.html

I blame skinny jeans.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're saying batman could fix this?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mindslicer wrote:
Snorri wrote:
Mindslicer wrote:
Louisiana is out to protect consumers from milk that costs too little.

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For Lafayette stockbroker Kenneth Daigle, buying a gallon of milk is no longer the bargain it used to be on Tuesdays at Fresh Market.

The upscale supermarket chain yanked milk from its $2.99 once-a-week promotion after a state auditor objected to the low price. A gallon of whole milk was priced at $5.69 Thursday at the Fresh Market in Perkins Rowe.

State Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner Mike Strain said Fresh Market violated state regulations by selling milk below cost as part of a promotion.

The supermarket routinely sells a gallon of skim, 1 percent, 2 percent or whole milk for $2.99 on Tuesdays, limiting the quantity to four per customer.

State law requires retailers’ markups to be no less than 6 percent of the invoice cost after adding freight charges.


Thank heavens.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Pricing out the competition unfairly is bad for consumers.


Without citing the law, what's unfair about it?


It not only hurts the competition, it hurts the market. Sure it's only one product, but it's milk, a pretty vital part of a supermarket's sales.

It's a question of whether in this case it was absolutely needed to do something, but in principle there is little problem with this type of regulation.

Also, it could lead to the kind of shit Wal-mart does.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
So you're saying batman could fix this?

I think he's advocating Two Face.

Also, http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-army-chief-warns-state-could-collapse-102521988.html
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