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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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still not clear why this makes it OK for the supremes to ban protests on _their_ public space, but say other jurisdictions can't do the same.


Take it up with them. All of the Justices struck down the MA law, not just the conservative ones.

yes - but for different reasons

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or why, since the law linked allows you to shout, you have to get right up in someone's face to let them know you are protesting them.


Who says you have to get right up in their face? The ruling merely says that banning that action when there is no threat of violence is unconstitutional.

which _allows_ people to get up in your face. as long as they don't actually make physical contact.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mindslicer, have you ever seen in person or on video the protests that happen at abortion clinics?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/7876/20140702/activists-want-19-year-old-banned-facebook-africa.htm

So I've been reading a lot of arguments over this lately. Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know enough about the situation to know whether she's doing more harm or good, but I find hunting in general to be distasteful. The "fair chase" thing that the article mentions is especially disturbing, and having a head or any other body part mounted on your wall makes me far less likely to like you.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't know enough about the situation to know whether she's doing more harm or good, but I find hunting in general to be fundamentally distasteful. The "fair chase" thing that the article mentions is especially disturbing.


I think it is the pictures that really get me. Her smug smiling face next to an endangered dead animal just rubs me the wrong way.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, and it makes the rest just feel like justifications tacked on after the fact.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The move to demand facebook ban her is just stupid in about a thousand different ways (she might have to go to myspace! THAT'LL SHOW HER!) Whether or not her behavior is reprehensible is a much more complicated question.

Properly managed hunting is a good thing both economically and ecologically, and the income flow is a huge boon to conservation efforts. But by the same token I will simply never understand the sort of person who can a) be insanely ultra-rich and b) vacation in utterly impoverished areas without feeling any desire to, y'know, help.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something is displeasing us! Quick, make an online petition!

That'll show 'em!

(Totally still not bitter about the Firefly petition)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mindslicer, have you ever seen in person or on video the protests that happen at abortion clinics?


Unless there's some aspect about them that makes the MA law not an abridgment of free speech rights, I'm unclear why the question is relevant to the discussion.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://abc13.com/family/clerical-error-for-child-support-payments-sending-dad-to-jail/134786/

Man fell behind on his child support payments because a clerical error on his employer's part prevented the money from transferring to the child's mother. Evidence of this was shown this in court. The man, who didn't know of the error, fixed the problem when he found out and payed the mother an additional $1000. Judge sentenced him to six months in jail anyway.

Mens rea apparently doesn't matter anymore.

Edit: Or maybe it does. He was freed a week later.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Man-jailed-for-failure-to-pay-child-support-to-be-5596990.php


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mindslicer, have you ever seen in person or on video the protests that happen at abortion clinics?


Unless there's some aspect about them that makes the MA law not an abridgment of free speech rights, I'm unclear why the question is relevant to the discussion.


I have and I would equate some of the speech of the protesters to falsely yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mindslicer, have you ever seen in person or on video the protests that happen at abortion clinics?


Unless there's some aspect about them that makes the MA law not an abridgment of free speech rights, I'm unclear why the question is relevant to the discussion.


I have and I would equate some of the speech of the protesters to falsely yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater.


Which I am sure would violate existing law if a judge and jury agreed.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mindslicer, have you ever seen in person or on video the protests that happen at abortion clinics?


Unless there's some aspect about them that makes the MA law not an abridgment of free speech rights, I'm unclear why the question is relevant to the discussion.


I'm asking because I want to know if you've ever seen how the protesters act. For instance, how close they get to the people, how loudly they shout, etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, and it makes the rest just feel like justifications tacked on after the fact.

yeah, it feels like her only real goal is to publicize _herself_ (so she can get that TV hunting show!). you can do good things without making a huge show of it...you can even do good things and publicize them tastefully...but that's not it. i mean, she says the meat from the elephant was going to local people for food - but we don't see food, we see her in great-white-hunter pose atop the elephant (surrounded by the requisite grinning natives).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mindslicer wrote:
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Mindslicer, have you ever seen in person or on video the protests that happen at abortion clinics?


Unless there's some aspect about them that makes the MA law not an abridgment of free speech rights, I'm unclear why the question is relevant to the discussion.


I'm asking because I want to know if you've ever seen how the protesters act. For instance, how close they get to the people, how loudly they shout, etc.


I've never taken part in such a protest, but I strongly doubt that exposing myself to one would change my opinion on this matter.
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