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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yup, pretty disgusted by police's behaviour too.

I know the side I'm picking against.


that's the insanity of it all - after this kind of behavior, who _wouldn't_ vote for independence?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm wondering if hotels will institute metal detectors from this point forward.


this is the insanity that is america today. because previously no one thought it might be a concern that someone was checking into any place other than a hunting lodge with something like 10 rifles and at least 500 rounds of ammo, the solution that will be considered reasonable is that now everyone will have to deal with metal detectors in a hotel. and that will be a nightmare, because people will have any amount of perfectly legal metal with them - canes, crutches, medical devices, even golf clubs - people do go on vacations to do things like play golf!). do we upgrade hotel security to be the equivalent of airport security? every single time you walk into your hotel room? you might have bought a rifle! (or some jewelry, or a cast-iron lawn ornament or any other thing you might buy on vacation). and then the next guy will set up his sniper's post in an office building. or a church tower. or a library. you can't stop all the holes.

personally, i have decided that we need to start a campaign to have the NRA declared a terrorist organization. who's with me? (yes, yes, started as a legal organization - how many other terrorist organizations did too? the national socialist party changed quite a bit after hitler joined it).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
Ookamo wrote:
I'm wondering if hotels will institute metal detectors from this point forward.


this is the insanity that is america today. because previously no one thought it might be a concern that someone was checking into any place other than a hunting lodge with something like 10 rifles and at least 500 rounds of ammo, the solution that will be considered reasonable is that now everyone will have to deal with metal detectors in a hotel. and that will be a nightmare, because people will have any amount of perfectly legal metal with them - canes, crutches, medical devices, even golf clubs - people do go on vacations to do things like play golf!). do we upgrade hotel security to be the equivalent of airport security? every single time you walk into your hotel room? you might have bought a rifle! (or some jewelry, or a cast-iron lawn ornament or any other thing you might buy on vacation). and then the next guy will set up his sniper's post in an office building. or a church tower. or a library. you can't stop all the holes.


Besides, isn't it perfectly legal to have guns in your hotel room? Why do you hate freedom?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry, i was wrong - paddock had 19 rifles, at least one of which was modified with a LEGAL rapid-fire device:
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The devices modify the gun’s stock so that the recoil helps accelerate how quickly the shooter can pull the trigger. The devices are legal in the U.S.

Other weapons may have been converted to fully automatic fire, and were still being examined, the source said.

,,,,Paddock apparently bought the guns legally, passing the required background checks.


thanks, nra! now any citizen can have their own machine gun, with large-capacity magazines holding armor-piercing rounds! and soon, silencers! because the last thing anyone wants to worry about is hearing damage from firing off all that legal weaponry!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They just updated it. He had 23 guns in that room.

Yeah, we're getting metal detectors in hotels.

Frankly, the Mandalay will probably have to settle many wrongful death suits, if not some class action. For hotel security to have missed that many trips to and from the room with so many heavy suitcases, and we're not even talking ammunition yet, without inquiry is negligent.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-03/guests-inspected-at-the-wynn-in-glimpse-of-las-vegas-s-future
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how did he get full-auto rates of fire from guns that are semi-auto?
He didn't mod an AR-15 into a full auto version. Instead he added a spring-loaded stock that uses the recoil of the first shot to constantly bounce most of the rifle, which nudges the trigger against the shooter's finger each time it returns forward.
Basically, it takes the normal recoil-operated auto-firing mechanism that's traditionally built into the receiver and externalizes it so that the new "firing pin" is your finger hitting the trigger on the return stroke of each bounce.





This is called a "bump stock," and under US current law is considered a fully legal semi-auto because, technically, the shooter's finger is "pulling" the trigger for each shot. Some sellers even advertise ATF letters of approval with each unit. Rates of fire can be 400 rounds per minute, or higher.
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/12/21/slide-fire-stock-review-ar15/

If Republicans can't get enough of themselves to ban these systems then it will be the clearest and most damning sign yet that they fail to have the capacity to live as decent human beings.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was wondering how that works - thanks, wheels.

according to NPR this morning, there is another legal way to essential turn a semi-auto into a machine gun; it consists of another device attached to the gun - some sort of wheel thing, that you crank "like a music box" to fire the thing rapidly. again, also legal. it's apparently only illegal if you tinker with the innards of the gun to convert it to full auto. the expert explaining this was unable to explain why one method is legal, and the other is not.


also heard last night that house majority whip steve scalise, shot a couple of months ago, considers his survival a miracle. tempted to write to ask him what he intends to do with his miracle, in light of the 59 people in las vegas who didn't get one.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote






And The Onion can add one more go-round with their stock article for things like this.


http://www.theonion.com/search?q=No+Way+To+Prevent+This%2C%27+Says+Only+Nation+Where+This+Regularly+Happens.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
And The Onion can add one more go-round with their stock article for things like this.


http://www.theonion.com/search?q=No+Way+To+Prevent+This%2C%27+Says+Only+Nation+Where+This+Regularly+Happens.


I was gonna say, living in a country where gun control is very definitely a thing and no mass shooting of this nature has occured since the law was put in place, why haven't Americans given it fair consideration?

I suppose the answer is "but the guvmint will take mah guns and ah need those becuz FREEZE PEACH."
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chronometry wrote:
WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
And The Onion can add one more go-round with their stock article for things like this.


http://www.theonion.com/search?q=No+Way+To+Prevent+This%2C%27+Says+Only+Nation+Where+This+Regularly+Happens.


I was gonna say, living in a country where gun control is very definitely a thing and no mass shooting of this nature has occured since the law was put in place, why haven't Americans given it fair consideration?

I suppose the answer is "but the guvmint will take mah guns and ah need those becuz FREEZE PEACH."


We already had this conversation 5 years ago when a shootout happened in a kindergarten school where 20 6/7 years old children were killed.

If memory serves, we heard the same story then , "now is not the time to talk about gun control, blah, blah" and the Sinfest consensus was it will happen again someday.

Well, it happened again, and if USA is lucky it'll take 5 more years before another massacre of this size to happen again.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chronometry wrote:
WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
And The Onion can add one more go-round with their stock article for things like this.


http://www.theonion.com/search?q=No+Way+To+Prevent+This%2C%27+Says+Only+Nation+Where+This+Regularly+Happens.


I was gonna say, living in a country where gun control is very definitely a thing and no mass shooting of this nature has occured since the law was put in place, why haven't Americans given it fair consideration?

I suppose the answer is "but the guvmint will take mah guns and ah need those becuz FREEZE PEACH."

Freeze Peach doesn't even enter into it. The second item in the Bill of Rights says (though only specified in regards to maintaining militias for local protection) that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. This has now become widely interpreted to mean you can own guns (unless you're an ex-con).

And yeah, this will keep happening. It will never be time to discuss gun control as long as the Republican party exists.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would it take?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
It will never be time to discuss gun control as long as the Republican party exists.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
It will never be time to discuss gun control as long as the Republican party exists.


But what would it take? For the Republican party to cease existance?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh good lord.

I don't know whether to feel sorry for our PM or not. On the one hand, this is basically a comedy of errors in the vein of one of our great British sitcoms. On the other hand, Theresa May is a colossal witch to begin with.
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