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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Willem wrote:
Fucking good. I watched the Redditbomb from the start on SA and I'm delighted they caved this quickly. I can taste violentacrez's tears already.

also, an actual quote from the reddit admins:

"The decision to ban sections that focus on child sexuality wasn't an easy one, administrators said"

Reddit.


*snerk* This shows just how much how of a moralising, self-righteous pillock you are. Reddit caved removing content that you find offensive and you think that's "good." Huh. Nevermind it's a totally harmless act of looking at pictures and viewed in the confines of one's own home, which isn't involuntary as far as I'm concerned, however I'm sure that's irrelevant in your mind. Then the quote you cite has to do with censorship, because that's what it is; Reddit is forced to remove content of their site which people deem offensive. It's reminding me of this standup by Steve Hughes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg

Finally I'm curious of the implications you wish to impart on Reddit's admins. Feel free to elaborate on that.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sooooooo censorship is worse than child porn?
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Thy Brilliance



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:57 pm    Post subject: somehow is news. Reply with quote

That's a weak argument, Guest.

Reddit is full of sockpuppets. Political views and social narratives are shoved down people's throats everyday.

The karma system in place basically guarantees censorship happens, because people try to act like something they are not in order to ensure that a worthless number is raised. Insincerity is rampant, memes are the language of choice.

Using arguments about freedom of thought and freedom of expression is worthless when talking about Reddit, for there is none there.

You are better off asking the question: "Does the FBI upload offensive content or copyrighted content on the sites they want to take down?"
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What child porn?

Quote:
/r/teen_girls
/r/TeenGirls
/r/pro_teen_models
/r/preteen_girls
/r/JailbaitArchives
/r/JailbaitVideos
/r/TrueJailbait
/r/niggerjailbait
/r/ChestyBait
/r/bustybait
/r/cutegirls
/r/asianjailbait
/r/JustTeens
/r/JailbaitJunkies
/r/jailbait_nospam
/r/jailbaitgw
/r/nudistbeach
/r/Purenudism
/r/teens
/r/Thenewjailbait
/r/trapbait
/r/malejailbait
/r/malejailbaitarchives
/r/lolicon
/r/shotacon
/r/assbait
/r/preteen_boys
/r/photobucketplunder
/r/AngieVarona


These?

Let me highlight the ones that possibly fall into "child porn":

Quote:
/r/teen_girls
/r/TeenGirls
/r/pro_teen_models
/r/preteen_girls
/r/JailbaitArchives
/r/JailbaitVideos
/r/TrueJailbait
/r/niggerjailbait
/r/ChestyBait
/r/bustybait
/r/cutegirls
/r/asianjailbait
/r/JustTeens
/r/JailbaitJunkies
/r/jailbait_nospam
/r/jailbaitgw
/r/nudistbeach
/r/Purenudism
/r/teens
/r/Thenewjailbait
/r/trapbait
/r/malejailbait
/r/malejailbaitarchives
/r/lolicon
/r/shotacon
/r/assbait
/r/preteen_boys
/r/photobucketplunder
/r/AngieVarona


There. I don't know about you, but I don't consider nudist beaches to fall into the "child porn" category. Unless all he posted in there were pictures of pre-teen children (I imagine not, but whatever.) BUT. And this is a very big but. Is it a crime? Is posting pictures of children on the internet a crime? Is posting videos of children dancing provocatively a crime? Where's the "child porn" angle you're spinning here, exactly? That would include the exploitation of children and photographing them in a sexual manner (naked), which would mean the person (or persons) liable for a crime is the photographer. Bare in mind two of the ones I bolded, lolicon and shotacon, are drawn pictures of children, i.e. NOT. REAL. Does that really fall into the "child porn" section? Finally, is simply looking at pictures of child porn a crime? To take it a step further, is the viewer of porn actually subjugating women (and men)?

And by the way, is this really putting a stop to child porn? Will it put the men and women who exploit children, put them into sexual situations and abuse them behind bars, get them convicted and charged? Your question is about as relevant and intelligent as the moral crusade waged by Something Awful. No, censorship is not more important than child porn, but that is if we were actually dealing with child porn and not "sexually suggestive pictures" of children (which is subjective and which is regulated on which continent you're on). Something Awful successfully managed to censor content on the internet. What's next on their agenda?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are literally defending giving chimos a place to gather and look at and trade child porn.

The admins of the site admitted that there was child porn being traded in PM's once they actually looked at it.


Dont be such a fucking twat.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You literally just ignored everything I just said, Monkey. Well done.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because it's a fucking bullshit justification for allowing people to view child porn. YOU ARE LITERALLY DEFENDING REDDIT GIVING THOSE WHO VIEW CHILD PORN A FREE PASS UNDER THE GUISE OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH. PROTIP: CHILD PORN IS NOT PROTECTED SPEECH
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and you ignored my question while trying to define the entire idea of sexual exploitation of children so narrowly that by your lights it is virtually impossible to do.

fine. whatever. you still didn't answer my question. substitute any permutation you like for "child porn," so long as you wind up with the sexual exploitation of minors. is censorship worse than child porn?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:18 pm    Post subject: A waste of time and a disgusting habit. Reply with quote

I'm fairly confident that you can live without porn in your life Guest.

It won't kill you.

I remember a while back that tat did something similar, you gonna accuse him of censorship too?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah... a lot of censorship is bad, but the sexual exploitation of minors is one place where I'm just fine with a little censorship. We can argue how high penalties should be set, etc., but I DEFINITELY think the distribution of CP should be quashed. Sorry guest.

Also, WoC, pretty sure most of damyouautocorrect is fake, but even being careful some oddities-like a random banjo- really try to find their way in. My primary recreational web browsing device is a tablet now, so yeah.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
Because it's a fucking bullshit justification for allowing people to view child porn. YOU ARE LITERALLY DEFENDING REDDIT GIVING THOSE WHO VIEW CHILD PORN A FREE PASS UNDER THE GUISE OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH. PROTIP: CHILD PORN IS NOT PROTECTED SPEECH


*facepalm* Read it again. Please.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
Because it's a fucking bullshit justification for allowing people to view child porn. YOU ARE LITERALLY DEFENDING REDDIT GIVING THOSE WHO VIEW CHILD PORN A FREE PASS UNDER THE GUISE OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH. PROTIP: CHILD PORN IS NOT PROTECTED SPEECH


*facepalm* Read it again. Please.


I'm answering your questions now.

Yes, many of those pictures were not posted with the consent of the guardian of said child. This makes it illegal in a number of places. Yes, posting video of children dancing provocatively a crime, images sexualizing minors are directly classified as child pornography. Sexualized drawn images of children are also illegal in many places. Yes, from an internet standpoint it is, if for no other reason than the moment it goes into your history, you are now "owning" pictures of child porn.

One also doesn't need to be "putting a stop to all child porn" to be making a good faith effort not to let your site become a haven for those who look at and trade in it. That is what reddit is currently doing, the admins found actual trade in hardcore child pornography once they actually looked. The shameful thing is that people brought this up, and they ignored it, moreover it wasn't until they were threatened with all these seedy little subreddits being exposed to the general public that they actually even took steps to..yknow hinder the free exchange of images of sexually exploited children.

And again, child pornography is not protected speech, anywhere that i'm aware of, so...who fucking cares if it gets censored.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:42 pm    Post subject: They are not, you know they are not. Reply with quote

Out of curiosity, do you consider these drawn images to be works of art?

I'm completely serious when I say this.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CTrees wrote:
Yeah... a lot of censorship is bad, but the sexual exploitation of minors is one place where I'm just fine with a little censorship. We can argue how high penalties should be set, etc., but I DEFINITELY think the distribution of CP should be quashed. Sorry guest.


If it's actually child porn, yeah, sure. I don't think the subjective "sexually suggestive" pictures of children are an example of child porn, and even if people were looking at pictures of child porn -- which should be removed -- it shouldn't be a crime worthy of conviction except for the photographer. Now if Reddit had made it clear they wanted to remove this kind of content from the get-go, like how Tat removes porn peddlers and similar on the forum, that'd be fine, but they were coerced to do it by moral crusaders who found the content offensive. In other news, people can still watch snuff on Reddit.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is art in that it was deliberately created to be pleasing to someone (even if only the artist). However, it being "art" can mean that it is exploitative and used in a manner that is not acceptable, and should not be acceptable, to society. So art or not, it should not exist.

An no, this won't stop people from trading child porn. However, it apparently wasn't going to be used as a trap which means it is better to just shut that avenue of child porn trafficking down.

So, I am still not clear about what Guest is so up in arms about.

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