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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:01 am    Post subject: Michael Jackson's tour would have been an aborted disaster. Reply with quote

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'I'm better off dead. I'm done': How Michael Jackson predicted his death six months ago

By Ian Halperin

Whatever the final autopsy results reveal, it was greed that killed Michael Jackson. Had he not been driven – by a cabal of bankers, agents, doctors and advisers – to commit to the gruelling 50 concerts in London’s O2 Arena, I believe he would still be alive today.

During the last weeks and months of his life, Jackson made desperate attempts to prepare for the concert series scheduled for next month – a series that would have earned millions for the singer and his entourage, but which he could never have completed, not mentally, and not physically.

Michael knew it and his advisers knew it. Anyone who caught even a fleeting glimpse of the frail old man hiding beneath the costumes and cosmetics would have understood that the London tour was madness. For Michael Jackson, it was fatal.

I had more than a glimpse of the real Michael; as an award-winning freelance journalist and film-maker, I spent more than five years inside his ‘camp’.

Many in his entourage spoke frankly to me – and that made it possible for me to write authoritatively last December that Michael had six months to live, a claim that, at the time, his official spokesman, Dr Tohme Tohme, called a ‘complete fabrication’. The singer, he told the world, was in ‘fine health’. Six months and one day later, Jackson was dead.

Some liked to snigger at his public image, and it is true that flamboyant clothes and bizarre make-up made for a comic grotesque; yet without them, his appearance was distressing; with skin blemishes, thinning hair and discoloured fingernails.

I had established beyond doubt, for example, that Jackson relied on an extensive collection of wigs to hide his greying hair. Shorn of their luxuriance, the Peter Pan of Neverland cut a skeletal figure.

It was clear that he was in no condition to do a single concert, let alone 50. He could no longer sing, for a start. On some days he could barely talk. He could no longer dance. Disaster was looming in London and, in the opinion of his closest confidantes, he was feeling suicidal.

To understand why a singer of Jackson’s fragility would even think about travelling to London, we need to go back to June 13, 2005, when my involvement in his story began.

As a breaking news alert flashed on CNN announcing that the jury had reached a verdict in Jackson’s trial for allegedly molesting 13-year-old Gavin Arvizo at his Neverland Ranch in California, I knew that history had been made but that Michael Jackson had been broken – irrevocably so, as it proved.

Nor was it the first time that Michael had been accused of impropriety with young boys. Little more than a decade earlier, another 13-year-old, Jordan Chandler, made similar accusations in a case that was eventually settled before trial – but not before the damage had been done to Jackson’s reputation.

Michael had not helped his case. Appearing in a documentary with British broadcaster Martin Bashir, he not only admitted that he liked to share a bed with teenagers, mainly boys, in pyjamas, but showed no sign of understanding why anyone might be legitimately concerned.

I had started my investigation convinced that Jackson was guilty. By the end, I no longer believed that.

I could not find a single shred of evidence suggesting that Jackson had molested a child. But I found significant evidence demonstrating that most, if not all, of his accusers lacked credibility and were motivated primarily by money.

Jackson also deserved much of the blame, of course. Continuing to share a bed with children even after the suspicions surfaced bordered on criminal stupidity.

He was also playing a truly dangerous game. It is clear to me that Michael was homosexual and that his taste was for young men, albeit not as young as Jordan Chandler or Gavin Arvizo.

In the course of my investigations, I spoke to two of his gay lovers, one a Hollywood waiter, the other an aspiring actor. The waiter had remained friends, perhaps more, with the singer until his death last week. He had served Jackson at a restaurant, Jackson made his interest plain and the two slept together the following night. According to the waiter, Jackson fell in love.

The actor, who has been given solid but uninspiring film parts, saw Jackson in the middle of 2007. He told me they had spent nearly every night together during their affair – an easy claim to make, you might think. But this lover produced corroboration in the form of photographs of the two of them together, and a witness.

Other witnesses speak of strings of young men visiting his house at all hours, even in the period of his decline. Some stayed overnight.

When Jackson lived in Las Vegas, one of his closest aides told how he would sneak off to a ‘grungy, rat-infested’ motel – often dressed as a woman to disguise his identity – to meet a male construction worker he had fallen in love with.

Jackson was acquitted in the Arvizo case, dramatically so, but the effect on his mental state was ruinous. Sources close to him suggest he was close to complete nervous breakdown.

The ordeal had left him physically shattered, too. One of my sources suggested that he might already have had a genetic condition I had never previously come across, called Alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency – the lack of a protein that can help protect the lungs.

Although up to 100,000 Americans are severely affected by it, it is an under-recognised condition. Michael was receiving regular injections of Alpha-1 antitrypsin derived from human plasma. The treatment is said to be remarkably effective and can enable the sufferer to lead a normal life.

But the disease can cause respiratory problems and, in severe cases, emphysema. Could this be why Jackson had for years been wearing a surgical mask in public, to protect his lungs from the ravages of the disease? Or why, from time to time, he resorted to a wheelchair? When I returned to my source inside the Jackson camp for confirmation, he said: ‘Yeah, that’s what he’s got. He’s in bad shape. They’re worried that he might need a lung transplant but he may be too weak.

‘Some days he can hardly see and he’s having a lot of trouble walking.’

Even Michael Jackson’s legendary wealth was in sharp decline. Just a few days before he announced his 50-concert comeback at the O2 Arena, one of my sources told me Jackson had been offered £1.8million to perform at a party for a Russian billionaire on the Black Sea.

‘Is he up to it?’ I had asked.

‘He has no choice. He needs the money. His people are pushing him hard,’ said the source.

Could he even stand on a stage for an hour concert?

‘He can stand. The treatments have been successful. He can even dance once he gets in better shape. He just can’t sing,’ said the aide, adding that Jackson would have to lip-synch to get through the performance. ‘Nobody will care, as long as he shows up and moonwalks.’

He also revealed Jackson had been offered well over £60million to play Las Vegas for six months. ‘He said no, but his people are trying to force it on him. He’s that close to losing everything,’ said the source.

Indeed, by all accounts Jackson’s finances were in a shambles. The Arvizo trial itself was a relative bargain, costing a little more than £18million in legal bills.

But the damage to his career, already in trouble before the charges, was incalculable. After the Arvizo trial, a Bahraini sheikh allowed Jackson to stay in his palace, underwriting his lavish lifestyle. But a few years later, the prince sued his former guest, demanding repayment for his hospitality. Jackson claimed he thought it had been a gift.

Roger Friedman, a TV journalist, said: ‘For one year, the prince underwrote Jackson’s life in Bahrain – everything including accommodation, guests, security and transportation. And what did Jackson do? He left for Japan and then Ireland. He took the money and moonwalked right out the door. This is the real Michael Jackson. He has never returned a phone call from the prince since he left Bahrain.’

Although Jackson settled with the sheikh on the eve of the trial that would have aired his financial dirty laundry, the settlement only put him that much deeper into the hole. A hole that kept getting bigger, but that was guaranteed by Jackson’s half ownership of the copyrights to The Beatles catalogue. He owned them in a joint venture with record company Sony, which have kept him from bankruptcy.

‘Jackson is in hock to Sony for hundreds of millions,’ a source told me a couple of months ago. ‘No bank will give him any money so Sony have been paying his bills.

‘The trouble is that he hasn’t been meeting his obligations. Sony have been in a position for more than a year where it can repossess Michael’s share of the [Beatles] catalogue. That’s always been Sony’s dream scenario, full ownership.

‘But they don’t want to do it as they’re afraid of a backlash from his fans. Their nightmare is an organised 'boycott Sony' movement worldwide, which could prove hugely costly. It is the only thing standing between Michael and bankruptcy.’

The source aid at the time that the scheduled London concerts wouldn’t clear Jackson’s debts – estimated at almost £242million – but they would allow him to get them under control and get him out of default with Sony.

According to two sources in Jackson’s camp, the singer put in place a contingency plan to ensure his children would be well taken care of in the event of bankruptcy.

‘He has as many as 200 unpublished songs that he is planning to leave behind for his children when he dies. They can’t be touched by the creditors, but they could be worth as much as £60million that will ensure his kids a comfortable existence no matter what happens,’ one of his collaborators revealed.

But for the circle of handlers who surrounded Jackson during his final years, their golden goose could not be allowed to run dry. Bankruptcy was not an option.

These, after all, were not the handlers who had seen him through the aftermath of the Arvizo trial and who had been protecting his fragile emotional health to the best of their ability. They were gone, and a new set of advisers was in place.

The clearout had apparently been engineered by his children’s nanny, Grace Rwaramba, who was gaining considerable influence over Jackson and his affairs and has been described as the ‘queen bee’ by those around Jackson.

Rwaramba had ties to the black militant organisation, the Nation of Islam, and its controversial leader, Louis Farrakhan, whom she enlisted for help in running Jackson’s affairs.

Before long, the Nation was supplying Jackson’s security detail and Farrakhan’s son-in-law, Leonard Muhammad, was appointed as Jackson’s business manager, though his role has lessened significantly in recent years.

In late 2008, a shadowy figure who called himself Dr Tohme Tohme suddenly emerged as Jackson’s ‘official spokesman’.

Tohme has been alternately described as a Saudi Arabian billionaire and an orthopaedic surgeon, but he is actually a Lebanese businessman who does not have a medical licence. At one point, Tohme claimed he was an ambassador at large for Senegal, but the Senegalese embassy said they had never heard of him.

Tohme’s own ties to the Nation of Islam came to light in March 2009, when New York auctioneer Darren Julien was conducting an auction of Michael Jackson memorabilia.

Julien filed an affidavit in Los Angeles Superior Court that month in which he described a meeting he had with Tohme’s business partner, James R. Weller. According to Julien’s account, ‘Weller said if we refused to postpone [the auction], we would be in danger from 'Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam; those people are very protective of Michael'.

He told us that Dr Tohme and Michael Jackson wanted to give the message to us that 'our lives are at stake and there will be bloodshed'.’

A month after these alleged threats, Tohme accompanied Jackson to a meeting at a Las Vegas hotel with Randy Phillips, chief executive of the AEG Group, to finalise plans for Jackson’s return to the concert stage.

Jackson’s handlers had twice before said no to Phillips. This time, with Tohme acting as his confidant, Jackson left the room agreeing to perform ten concerts at the O2.

Before long, however, ten concerts had turned into 50 and the potential revenues had skyrocketed. ‘The vultures who were pulling his strings somehow managed to put this concert extravaganza together behind his back, then presented it to him as a fait accompli,’ said one aide.

‘The money was just unbelievable and all his financial people were telling him he was facing bankruptcy. But Michael still resisted. He didn’t think he could pull it off.’

Eventually, they wore him down, the aide explained, but not with the money argument.

‘They told him that this would be the greatest comeback the world had ever known. That’s what convinced him. He thought if he could emerge triumphantly from the success of these concerts, he could be the King again.’

The financial details of the O2 concerts are still murky, though various sources have revealed that Jackson was paid as much as £10million in advance, most of which went to the middlemen. But Jackson could have received as much as £100million had the concerts gone ahead.

It is worth noting that the O2 Arena has the most sophisticated lip synching technology in the world – a particular attraction for a singer who can no longer sing. Had, by some miracle, the concerts gone ahead, Jackson’s personal contribution could have been limited to just 13 minutes for each performance. The rest was to have been choreography and lights.

‘We knew it was a disaster waiting to happen,’ said one aide. ‘I don’t think anybody predicted it would actually kill him but nobody believed he would end up performing.’

Their doubts were underscored when Jackson collapsed during only his second rehearsal.

‘Collapse might be overstating it,’ said the aide. ‘He needed medical attention and couldn’t go on. I’m not sure what caused it.’

Meanwhile, everybody around him noticed that Jackson had lost an astonishing amount of weight in recent months. His medical team even believed he was anorexic.

‘He goes days at a time hardly eating a thing and at one point his doctor was asking people if he had been throwing up after meals,’ one staff member told me in May.

‘He suspected bulimia but when we said he hardly eats any meals, the doc thought it was probably anorexia. He seemed alarmed and at one point said, 'People die from that all the time. You’ve got to get him to eat.'’

Indeed, one known consequence of anorexia is cardiac arrest.

After spotting him leave one rehearsal, Fox News reported that ‘Michael Jackson’s skeletal physique is so bad that he might not be able to moonwalk any more’.

On May 20 this year, AEG suddenly announced that the first London shows had been delayed for five days while the remainder had been pushed back until March 2010. At the time, they denied that the postponements were health-related, explaining that they needed more time to mount the technically complex production, though scepticism immediately erupted. It was well placed.

Behind the scenes, Jackson was in rapid decline. According to a member of his staff, he was ‘terrified’ at the prospect of the London concerts.

‘He wasn’t eating, he wasn’t sleeping and, when he did sleep, he had nightmares that he was going to be murdered. He was deeply worried that he was going to disappoint his fans. He even said something that made me briefly think he was suicidal. He said he thought he’d die before doing the London concerts.

‘He said he was worried that he was going to end up like Elvis. He was always comparing himself to Elvis, but there was something in his tone that made me think that he wanted to die, he was tired of life. He gave up. His voice and dance moves weren’t there any more. I think maybe he wanted to die rather than embarrass himself on stage.’

The most obvious comparison between the King of Pop and the King of Rock ’n’ Roll was their prescription drug habits, which in Jackson’s case had significantly intensified in his final months.

‘He is surrounded by enablers,’ said one aide. ‘We should be stopping him before he kills himself, but we just sit by and watch him medicate himself into oblivion.’

Jackson could count on an array of doctors to write him prescriptions without asking too many questions if he complained of ‘pain’. He was particularly fond of OxyContin, nicknamed ‘Hillbilly heroin’, which gave an instant high, although he did not take it on a daily basis.

‘He pops Demerol and morphine, sure, apparently going back to the time in 1984 when he burned himself during the Pepsi commercial, but there’s also some kind of psychiatric medication. One of his brothers once told me he was diagnosed with schizophrenia when he was younger, so it may be to treat that.’

His aides weren’t the only ones who recognised that a 50-concert run was foolhardy. In May, Jackson himself reportedly addressed fans as he left his Burbank rehearsal studio.

‘Thank you for your love and support,’ he told them. ‘I want you guys to know I love you very much.

'I don’t know how I’m going to do 50 shows. I’m not a big eater. I need to put some weight on. I’m really angry with them booking me up to do 50 shows. I only wanted to do ten.’

One of his former employees was particularly struck by Jackson’s wording that day. ‘The way he was talking, it’s like he’s not in control over his own life any more,’ she told me earlier this month. ‘It sounds like somebody else is pulling his strings and telling him what to do. Someone wants him dead.

'They keep feeding him pills like candy. They are trying to push him over the edge. He needs serious help. The people around him will kill him.’

As the London concerts approached, something was clearly wrong. Jackson had vowed to travel to England at least eight weeks before his first shows, but he kept putting it off.

‘To be honest, I never thought Michael would set foot on a concert stage ever again,’ said one aide, choking back tears on the evening of his death.

‘This was not only predictable, this was inevitable.’

On June 21, Jackson told my contact that he wanted to die. He said that he didn’t have what it would take to perform any more because he had lost his voice and dance moves.

‘It’s not working out,’ Jackson said. ‘I’m better off dead. I don’t have anywhere left to turn. I’m done.’

Michael’s closest confidante told me just two hours after he died that ‘Michael was tired of living. He was a complete wreck for years and now he can finally be in a better place. People around him fed him drugs to keep him on their side. They should be held accountable.’

Michael Jackson was undoubtedly a deeply troubled and lonely man. Throughout my investigation, I was torn between compassion and anger, sorrow and empathy.

Even his legacy is problematic. As I have already revealed, he has bequeathed up to 200 original songs to his three children, Prince Michael, aged 12, Paris Katherine, 11, and Prince Michael II (also known as Blanket), seven. It is a wonderful gift.

Yet I can reveal that his will, not as yet made public, demands that the three of them remain with Jackson’s 79-year-old mother Katherine in California. It promises an ugly row.

Ex-wife Deborah Rowe, the mother of the eldest two, has already made it clear to her legal team that she wants her children in her custody, immediately.

The mother of the third child has never been identified. I fully expect that it will emerge that the children had a ‘test tube’ conception, a claim already made by Deborah Rowe.

Michael Jackson may very well have been the most talented performer of his generation, but for 15 years that fact has been lost to a generation who may remember him only as a grotesque caricature who liked to share his bed with little boys. Now that he’s gone, maybe it’s time to shelve the suspicions and appreciate the music.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1196009/Im-better-dead-Im-How-Michael-Jackson-predicted-death-months-ago.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackson, gay?

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On the corner of Hollywood and Vine sits a star along the "Hollywood Walk of Fame," with loads of flowers, candles & pictures, surrounded by fans of Michael Jackson. The star they have been surrounding all day is marked with the name, Michael Jackson. Oh but the star does not belong to The King of Pop, it belongs to British born radio host Michael Jackson, who has been an L.A. radio personality for over 30 years. Seems the other Michael Jackson's star has been covered since early Thursday morning. Covered by a red carpet. A red carpet leading to The Chinese Theatre Hollywood premiere of Bruno.


LaToya's scene in Bruno has been cut, following the death of her brother.

I was watching Uri Geller being interviewed via telephone on BBC News 24 not long after the death was pronounced. Geller had to quit the interview, saying he was too emotional to continue. Actually, Sky News had just arrived at his home with a camera crew to interview him. The interview was aired live, just three minutes after he'd hung up on the BBC.

Celine Dion claimed the death was to her 'like when Kennedy was shot'. Dion was born six years after Kennedy's assassination.

On the subject of Jackson's health Randy Phillips recently said "I would trade my body for his tomorrow."*

*Can't find the source of the quote, but I read it clear as day somewhere not two weeks ago. The linked article contains some similar quotes tho.

Tweeting of Jackson's death apparently caused a breakdown of Twitters services ... in Iran. Certainly, it's knocked Iran of the front pages of both tabloids and broadsheets here.

Also, Sam, quoting the Daily Heil? Whatever next? Gally linking to the Huffington Post? Him posting from the FT?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I the only one who's thoughts on this can be summed up as "meh".

I'm sorry he died, but no more sorry than I would be for anyone else, it just saddens me and downright boggles my mind that this is knocking important news off the front page.

Also: Celine Dion is a twat.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arc Tempest wrote:
Am I the only one who's thoughts on this can be summed up as "meh".

I'm sorry he died, but no more sorry than I would be for anyone else, it just saddens me and downright boggles my mind that this is knocking important news off the front page.

Also: Celine Dion is a twat.


I don't know about 'meh', but yeah, it's not like we've had many slow news days recently. However, Jackson was undoubtedly the biggest pop star of his generation. When I was growing up he was officially the coolest person ever, a massive star, miles beyond other great cultural heroes of the time (Harrison Ford, Gary Lineker, whoever). I guess many many people in their late twenties and early thirties had massive massive love for him back then. That's kind of been brought back now that he's dead, rather than the more recent focus on his *ahem* controversial personal life.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just amazed that so much attention is going to this story. Yet no Charlie's Angels Marathon? WTF?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing about Ed McMahon either. Racism. Razz
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ed McMahon had a gold toilet.



It's safe to say he led a full life.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually they're running tributes to Farrah Fawcett on TV Land here. Another channel was re-running her documentary on her battle with cancer as well.

I think, in an odd sort of way, that Michael Jackson's death was a blessing to the Fawcett family. They won't have the media camped outside of their house over her death. They're too busy with Michael Jackson. And now they can grieve in private, unlike the Jackson family.

I think so far the Jackson family are making some smart decisions. They've already said that Debbie Rowe can see the children, and said they believe they should know their biological mother. However, they want custody to remain with Katherine Jackson. This is a great gesture, and would make Debbie Rowe look like an asshole if she tries to go after the kids.

I know a lot of folks are "meh" about his death. And I know a lot of people are being hypocrites. The same people that were making Michael Jackson fucking little boy jokes, and calling him a freak, etc are now talking about how great he was.

I see it as hypocritical, but I also see it as something I think a lot of us were taught to do when someone dies. You try to focus on the good of that person's life, because focusing on the bad is disrespectful to the dead (this isn't me saying this -- it's just what people were taught to do). Because funerals would be a completely different atmosphere if we went over the dead's list of faults and what made them a bad person, wouldn't they?

I never made the jokes, but I knew he had a lot of problems. And they all stemmed from his childhood. If people ever look for the reason Michael turned out the way he did, you only need to look at Joe Jackson for that. He created Michael's psychosis during his childhood. Going untreated and surrounded by enablers for 40+ years -- all I can feel is sorry for someone who had that sort of a childhood, and never got the help they needed to be a normal functioning adult.

I don't think he molested those kids. If anyone actually takes a look at the circumstances involving both of them -- and their shady families, it gives a lot of reasonable doubt to their claims. But in saying that, I don't think Michael Jackson's behavior was normal. It was abnormal; we know that it's not normal for a grown man to have slumber parties with kids. But because of his psychosis, he never knew that. In his eyes, it was ok. But because we think it's abnormal, we automatically assume it was the prelude to molestation because of it's abnormality.

Ed McMahon was sick for a very long time. It was well-known how sick he was. And I believe they're doing tributes for him as well. You just have to check your TV listings.

People almost broke the Internet spreading the news story of Michael Jackson's death. Are you surprised that all the media have set up circus for this? Ask and you shall receive. This will keep going until they find his cause of death. It might slow down in a couple weeks, but it will reignite once they announce the cause of death. And the finger pointing to all the people who used Michael Jackson will start again, blaming them for his death.

At least he's at peace now, and can't suffer anymore.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone not sad in the slightest that he's dead?

One less child molester in the world.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Jen on this one. Mostly on the basis that I think parents of abused children would go for a sentence rather than a settlement.
Then again, I don't know how people usually act in those circumstances
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm with Jen on this one. Mostly on the basis that I think parents of abused children would go for a sentence rather than a settlement.
Then again, I don't know how people usually act in those circumstances


Well when faced with a life changing sum of money that can secure your and your child's future, I dunno what I would do. Hard choice. Guess it would depend on how severe the abuse was.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you know the original child lives under an assumed name now? Was "securing" that child's future with money worth him losing his identity because of it? Not to mention, the father had no intention of going to the cops about it. They recorded him going on and on about how he wanted to ruin Michael Jackson's career. And when asked about what effect it would have on his son the father said, and I quote:

"That is irrelevant..."

What?!? Plus keep in mind that the confession the child gave was under the controversial sodium Amytal. The father was a well-known dentist, and gave his child that stuff to extract a tooth. Several doctors have come out to say that they would never mess with anyone under the usage of that drug because of the suggestive state people are in while under it. Not to mention how dangerous health wise it was. But hey, that's ok.

And the kisser of it all... the father, who was a dentist, was almost 70k in debt in back child support for the child.

Even better the mother of the child said she didn't believe that Michael Jackson abused her son.

I think too many people just got on the band wagon of the headlines, and never really read up on what actually went down in the first case. It wasn't Michael Jackson's idea to settle, it was the people around him that told him to do it. The same people that everyone is pointing their finger at saying they were enablers and sucking him dry. Everyone just assumed since he settled, he was guilty.

After reading up on it, I don't think he was. But I also think that because of his psychosis he kept putting himself in situations to be a target for it, and situations that made him look guilty to us.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forlorn Devil wrote:
Michael wrote:
I'm with Jen on this one. Mostly on the basis that I think parents of abused children would go for a sentence rather than a settlement.
Then again, I don't know how people usually act in those circumstances


Well when faced with a life changing sum of money that can secure your and your child's future, I dunno what I would do. Hard choice. Guess it would depend on how severe the abuse was.


Yeah I've been trying to find people who do criminal law or criminology or something to ask them just this. I'm really curious what people do in those circumstances

*by "trying to find" I mean "hoping to bump into them in a bar". Armchair philosophy is always more fun


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been a skeptic about the child abuse charges because like you said TF, the people making the accusations weren't trustworthy but MJ didn't make the matter any better. The way MJ acted made him an easy target if that were the case. You don't see people accusing other famous stars of child molestation to extort money?

Maybe history will be kind to him and not ever mention his fight against molestation charges and just remember him as the Pop Idol. Seeing as he had never been convicted I don't see how it would be relevant when remembering who he was and what he did for music and various charities.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is that most parents would go for both. A sentence, and a civil suit. If they were so sure that Michael Jackson had abused their son, they'd want him to pay by going to jail and a civil suit against him to hurt his pockets too.

It is, at least, my hope that parents would see red at the thought of their child being abused, and not dollar signs.
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