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andrew



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clearly the terrorists or the passengers need to be wearing more appropriate clothing.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrew wrote:
Clearly the terrorists or the passengers need to be wearing more appropriate clothing.


someone buy me this 'cos it wuz me birthday recently and i got no johnwear.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrew wrote:
Clearly the terrorists or the passengers need to be wearing more appropriate clothing.

I want to see the following two people try to walk onto a plane together, and I want to see what happens.
An Arab wearing the "we will not be silent" shirt.
And a white man wearing this:

Post script. I hate anyone who bought that shirt. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, that policeman looks like he DEARLY wants to do violence upon the smarmy guy wearing the shirt.
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Omega F



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't see the big deal and am not offended at all. I'd be a lot more pissed off about having to change seats.

People really need to learn how to pick their battles and stop being bitchy about every little thing. It's a t-shirt. Big deal. Airlines are buisnesses, and they have the right to refuse service. The guy is lucky that they didn't kick him out of the airport for being non-cooperative, which I've seen.

And yes, I've heard the whole slippery slope fallacy about this being the beginning and then everything else falls, but really people, it's a t-shirt. Its just a t-shirt.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omega F wrote:
And yes, I've heard the whole slippery slope fallacy about this being the beginning and then everything else falls, but really people, it's a t-shirt. Its just a t-shirt.


The contention is that he was singled out because he was a muslim wearing a shirt with arabic script, which is racist. Also, it would be pretty stupid to code terrorist messages in arabic script.

I'd love to have a t-shirt with arabic script, it's pretty.
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Omega F



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kame wrote:
The contention is that he was singled out because he was a muslim wearing a shirt with arabic script, which is racist. Also, it would be pretty stupid to code terrorist messages in arabic script.



I argue that a white person or black person or hispanic person wearing a shirt with arabic script would also get stopped.
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CTrees



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which is naturally a violation of First Amendment rights.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

he's apparently ok with that...


...damned constitution-hippies, get on board with the militant fear mongers!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omega F wrote:

People really need to learn how to pick their battles and stop being bitchy about every little thing. It's a t-shirt. Big deal. Airlines are buisnesses, and they have the right to refuse service. The guy is lucky that they didn't kick him out of the airport for being non-cooperative, which I've seen.


They have a right to refuse him, yes. They do that if they are afraid that someone on a flight may harm the reputation of that company (Having drunk people on a flight for example). So a guy with a shirt with Arabic script would be bad for the companies reputation, because passangers might think such a man is dangerous, and how bad is that ? It's an indication about how fucked the view of many people is : Arabic=Bad, this story is interesting for this thing alone.

Another point is that it was not just the airline urging him to get another T-shirt, there were police officers there to say the same thing. A police offer has no right to do such a thing.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Police Officers have no right to force him to change t-shirts.

I think everybody has the right to ask him to change t-shirts, much like he has the right to refuse that request.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as an authority figure, i don't believe that the police officer, asking him to change his shirt while blocking his entry to the plane, would be a constitutionally acceptable action.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's Ok if they make him change shirts as long as they don't take his boxcutter away...


Er, did the voices in my head just say that out loud? Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major Tom wrote:
as an authority figure, i don't believe that the police officer, asking him to change his shirt while blocking his entry to the plane, would be a constitutionally acceptable action.


I'd be interested to see how this would hold up in court.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omega F wrote:
I argue that a white person or black person or hispanic person wearing a shirt with arabic script would also get stopped.

Because, naturally, it's script we should be worried about. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. Rather than worry about things that might actually make us safer, they antagonize someone for wearing a shirt that simply reminds them of something that makes them uncomfortable.

The airline has a right to refuse service (police involvement aside) but that doesn't make this any less ignorant.
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