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Yorick · Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 12066 Location: Mary's kesh

bah. I never get a flu shot.
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Michael · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 10432

I never got a flu shot since I never got the flu since I was 4 or something.

Dunno if I actually don't get it or just don't get the right symptoms to diagnose it. Most of my family seem to be slightly cold blooded so that when I feel "feverish" I'm around 37-38 degrees :p

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Lasairfiona · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:59 am Post subject:

Dumb fucks. I really wish this would go away. Seriously, vaccines are a good thing when they have been properly tested.

And autism is generally genetic. Why can't they be working to bring awareness to the disease and how it can be treated?
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Thy Brilliance · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 3213 Location: Relative

Only when vaccines are "prescribed" on the personal (genetic) level, rather than the national level, will this this issue "go away."

Of course, there'll be a huge shitstorm if it's made mandatory.

Sam · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 8840

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .bah. I never get a flu shot.
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Yorick · Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 12066 Location: Mary's kesh

hey now, that was complications from an underlying condition!
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E-boy · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject:

I think that a lot of people just feel helpless in the face of things they have no control of Mouse. Human beings are really good at creating stories that explain things, and give them hope (even if it's ridiculously destructive false hope). We're so good at seeing certain kinds of patterns we see them where they don't even exist. Those who would plant a bug in our ear about various things (politicians, rumor mongers, that sort) are no stranger to this human frailty and take full advantage. They don't need the truth, just public opinion. Something they are well aware can be manipulated.

Hell politics in the last eight years is one example after another of using fear to overcome evidence based opposition.

What anyone has to gain by conspiracy rumors regarding the H1N1 shot I don't know. Maybe just feeling as if they have influence or control over the events around them.

Hell, from what I've read H1N1 is just another variant of the big pandemic back at the turn of the 20th century. If you can't get people to take a vaccine for a comparably tame version of that virus what happens when a new and truly novel strain hits the human population? Say a mutated version of Avian flu with the capacity for airborne transmission? We would be well and truly fucked.
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mouse · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 15474 Location: under the bed

maybe it's some weird variant of wanting control. i was watching something on the history channel the other night about nostradomus. everyone seems to really, really want to believe that he genuinely predicted the coming of various antichrists (even if they can't agree on who, exactly, they were), and the coming end-times. now, i figure - why would you _want_ to believe you are living in the end-times? even if you are convinced you are one of the chosen and will be lifted up out of all this (and i have to wonder how many of the doom-and-gloom believers don't have just a teeny-tiny inward suspicion that they are not) - why would you want to believe this is the Worst Of All Times, and Nothing Can Be Done?

i really don't get the mindset that buys into all of this.
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E-boy · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject:

There will always be people who will believe nearly anything but the facts. Maybe reality isn't exciting enough for them.
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E-boy · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:49 pm Post subject:

As an after thought one of the things that bothers me most about the whole anti-vaccine movement is that their decision not to get vaccinated affects more than just them.
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mouse · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 15474 Location: under the bed

huh - just saw a teaser in the local paper. apparently, a newly published paper reports that people with autism have _lower_ levels of mercury in their blood than usual.

so much for the thimerosol-done-it theories. (not that this will stop them, since all the other studies to the contrary haven't.)
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E-boy · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:23 am Post subject:

Autism being a spectrum disorder and all it would seem to follow that there are multiple things that could lead to the spectrum of symptoms associated with it. Everything from genetics to environmental insults during development. Initially my reading on the autism/vaccine link alarmed me. Further reading provoked by discussions here reassured me quite a bit.

It's sorta funny to me that we have all this evidence piling up that pollutants occuring in amounts deemed harmless individually can interact to create major problems for animals and we sorta ignore that fact and blame individual culprits. One study using tadpoles showed that when any one pesticide introduced to their water at safe levels had no effect on them, but multiple pesticides, still at 'safe' concentrations, fucked them up beyond belief. It's worth noting that the average person in the states these days has detectable levels of at least 17 different pesticides. Add to that trace heavy metals in various amounts and any number of consumer product additives like phalates. I wouldn't be surprised if our little uncontrolled bio-chemistry experiment was having unanticipated effects.

All of this doesn't even address the fact that some researchers don't believe there is an autism epidemic so much as an improvement in diagnosing it.
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Darqcyde · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:53 am Post subject: