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Mizike · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 5120 Location: Iowa City

I would just like to clarify that the deadly advice mentioned in this abomination of a thread's title has to do with vaccines given to infants, not H1N1 or any other manner of Flu vaccine, which is all anyone has been talking about in this thread.

THESE ARE TWO WHOLLY SEPARATE ISSUES!
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nathan · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 6269

Are they? I see it as two separate heads of the same anti-science beast.

I sincerely doubt most people concerned about vaccination have read enough to even recognize that there are separate underlying issues/arguments going on here. Everyone I talk to pretty much bottoms out at "gosh, I heard those things can be, like, really dangerous."
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Mizike · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 5120 Location: Iowa City

I, for one, am skeptical about the merits and effectiveness of any influenza vaccine. That skepticism is not extended to the thoroughly proven vaccines that I and many others received as a child.

No one thinks the flu vaccine will give anyone autism. That's a level of crazy reserved for measles, smallpox et al., for whatever reason.

Edit: To clarify, my skepticism of influenza vaccines does not pertain to those people who are already at high risk of complication from the flu (the elderly and severe asthmatics come to mind). They should totally get it.
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DeD CHiKn · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:32 am Post subject:

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E-boy · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:06 am Post subject:

Mizike · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 5120 Location: Iowa City

E-boy · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:38 am Post subject:

Hmmm.... "Don't give your children vaccinations against common childhood diseases cuz they'll get autism" and "Don't get the H1N1 vaccination because it will hurt you/kill you/ is part of a massive government conspiracy(take your pick)" are not at all the same.... Oh wait, fear mongering is present in both. Oh! Vaccines safety is a major theme in both too! Gee, I'm gonna have to go with they are, in fact, kind of similar.

They are not the identical concern no, but they certainly seem to be following a general theme of distrust of vaccine safety and necessity.
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Darqcyde · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:48 am Post subject:

E-boy · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:50 am Post subject:

I caught that point actually. I didn't think I was arguing against it. I was merely trying to point out that there seems to be a theme involved.
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Darqcyde · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:53 am Post subject:

I was talking to mizike Laughing

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E-boy · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:56 am Post subject:

I really should go to bed... I make an ass of myself when I'm wide awake too, but it seems to happen more often when I'm tired.
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The Highlord · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 555

Usagi Miyamoto · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:41 am Post subject:

Maybe it's more a case of, the influenza vaccine isn't even capable of being 100% effective. Flu vaccine contains only a small but hopefully representative sample of the strains of influenza you might contract, meaning that you might still get the flu (maybe I should say, "a flu") even with a shot. The vaccine makers usually shoot for what they think the three predominant strains will be during the next flu season when they make up the vaccine, and if they guessed right, you're protected against, I dunno, maybe 60-80% of the flu variants you're likely to run into. If they guessed wrong, it might be only 20-40%. On the other hand, your measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination is good against practically 100% of exposures to measles, mumps, or rubella. We're comparing different kinds of things, here, when we talk about flu vaccine effectiveness, and naturally that leads to some confusion.
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DeD CHiKn · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject: