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NY-23 — Sarah "Kiss of Death" Palin strikes again
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Sam



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:37 am    Post subject: NY-23 — Sarah "Kiss of Death" Palin strikes again Reply with quote

Sorry, too busy/drunk to affect an interpretation of events. Instead, have links for now. the NY-23 election.

basically (redt) apparently one of obama's most devilish political moves since the 2008 campaign was to appoint a Republican congressman from upstate New York as secretary of the Army. This week’s election to fill that vacant seat has set off nothing less than a riotous G.O.P. civil war.

A lot of people are theorizing that it represents an early core-vs-moderates schism in the Republican party: the 'New York Conservative Party' appeared as the competitive indie conservative platform after the GOP selected Dede Scozzafava, a Republican Assemblywoman, as its candidate.

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Under pressure from conservative forces within her own party, Dede Scozzafava, the regular Republican nominee in the interim House race for New York's 23d District, suddenly withdrew from the race today.

Though endorsed by the Republican National Committee and big GOP establishment names like ex-House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Scozzafava had fallen to third place in polls of the upstate longtime Republican district next to the Canadian border.

Her retreat came in the face of a vigorous campaign by Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman, who was backed by Sarah Palin, Dick Armey and Fred Thompson, among others. .
Republican House candidate Dede Scozzafava and Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman

Her surprise move sets up a two-man showdown in just 72 hours between Hoffman and Democrat Bill Owens in a slick attempt by Obama White House strategists to add another seat to their party's overwhelming House majority, 257-178.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33566468/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

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Half of all Americans back creation of new political party, poll finds


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/ny-23-goper-scozzafava-suspends-campaign.php

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In a huge development in the NY-23 special election, Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava has announced that she is suspending her campaign, citing an inability to win in light of recent polls and a lack of money -- leaving this race as a vote between Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman, and a strong message that the Republican Party can no longer nominate moderate candidates, or else face a right-wing revolt.



essentially: In this three-way, it was put as a dead heat. Then Palin endorsed Hoffman over the GOP, and Scozzafava has dropped out without endorsing anyone. There isn't enough time to do any meaningful polling for what that means.

This was a battle between the moderates and the core, and the moderates got fucking slaughtered. A schism would honestly be a gangbusters game theory gift-giving orgy to the democrats. No, seriously, if this Republicans Vs. REAL CONSERVATIVES thing keeps going on, that's the end of it, the liberals win.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn Sam, i dunno if you were trying or not but i think you gave me a little wood there.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: G.O.P. schism may be beginning Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
basically (redt) apparently one of obama's most devilish political moves since the 2008 campaign was to appoint a Republican congressman from upstate New York as secretary of the Army. This week’s election to fill that vacant seat has set off nothing less than a riotous G.O.P. civil war.

Well to be fair, technically W. appointed him originally, Obama just decided to keep him. Also, Gates has made himself quite unpopular with many of his peers for basically doing his job as opposed to merely being a puppet of the pentagon.

By peers I mean those politicians beholden to those who benefit from the "traditional" workings of the military industrial complex
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gates:defense::mchugh:army
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is absolutely nuts. The wingnuts are gleefully celebrating their first shot at becoming completely irrelevant.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watertown Daily Times wrote:
After bowing out of the 23rd Congressional race Saturday, Republican Scozzafava released the following statement today at 2 :06 p.m.:

I want to thank you for your support and friendship. Over the past 24 hours, I have had encouraging words sent to my family and me. Many of you have asked me whom you should support on Tuesday.

Since announcing the suspension of my campaign, I have thought long and hard about what is best for the people of this District, and how to answer your questions. This is not a decision that I have made lightly.

You know me, and throughout my career, I have been always been an independent voice for the people I represent. I have stood for our honest principles, and a truthful discussion of the issues, even when it cost me personally and politically. Since beginning my campaign, I have told you that this election is not about me; it's about the people of this District.

It is in this spirit that I am writing to let you know I am supporting Bill Owens for Congress and urge you to do the same.


It's not in the cards for me to be your representative, but I strongly believe Bill is the only candidate who can build upon John McHugh's lasting legacy in the U.S. Congress. John and I worked together on the expansion of Fort Drum and I know how important that base is to the economy of this region. I am confident that Bill will be able to provide the leadership and continuity of support to Drum Country just as John did during his tenure in Congress.

In Bill Owens, I see a sense of duty and integrity that will guide him beyond political partisanship. He will be an independent voice devoted to doing what is right for New York. Bill understands this district and its people, and when he represents us in Congress he will put our interests first.

Please join me in voting for Bill Owens on Tuesday. To address the tough challenges ahead, we must rise above partisanship and politics and work together. There's too much at stake in this election to do otherwise.

Dede
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major Tom wrote:
gates:defense::mchugh:army


D'oh...I was BALLS tired...sorry bout that Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so: dede to hard-core GOP: fuck you right back.

when i used to think about potential third parties as a meaningful voice in american politics, i had no idea that the first one would be moderate republicans.

now i really, really hope owens wins, and not just because he is a democrat - the lunatic right really needs to be marginalized as quickly as possible, for the health of the country, and throwing republican seats to the democrats should do the trick.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, the Daily show.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
now i really, really hope owens wins, and not just because he is a democrat - the lunatic right really needs to be marginalized as quickly as possible, for the health of the country, and throwing republican seats to the democrats should do the trick.

The lunatic right doesn't need to be marginalized by outside forces. Allow them to speak loudly in a unified voice and they will marginalize themselves.

Long live Queen Palin and her righteous army. May she rule a thousand years.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One can hope but I really haven't been impressed with what the democrats can do either.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am pretty impressed with the Democrats' ability to usually not be Republicans at least.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way....
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I said usually!
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